The Pinnacle of Evolution

[Loudmouth]

When I am reading a book by a conservative theologian, and he starts ranting about Evolution, I close the book. If I can't trust him to be objective about that, why should I trust anything else he says?

I am sure you are aware of Augustine's opinion on the matter, but it is worth repeating.

Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion. [1 Timothy 1.7]
Saint Augustine (A.D. 354-430)​

 

[USincognito]

I find true science and the bible much more convincing.

What is "true science"?

 

[StanJ]

Everyone believes in evolution.

Not as defined in this forum I don't, and I'm definitely not alone in that regard.

 

[SkyWriting]

Not as defined in this forum I don't, and I'm definitely not alone in that regard.

How about natural selection, which allows for populations
to adapt to changing environmental pressures?

 

[StanJ]

How about natural selection?

A Rose by Any Other Name...

 

[Subduction Zone]

How about natural selection, which allows for populations
to adapt to changing environmental pressures?

Natural selection alone is not evolution. But paired with variation we do have evolution. And it would be extremely ignorant to claim that either of those do not exist in the real world.

 

[SkyWriting]

A Rose by Any Other Name...

How about Dog breeding? Do you believe that
dogs can be bred for certain characteristics?
(I put my King Charles in the center)

 

[StanJ]

How about Dog breeding? Do you believe that
dogs can be bred for certain characteristics?

I think it's quite evident that can be done. What is your point?

 

[SkyWriting]

I think it's quite evident that can be done. What is your point?

So if man can artificially select certain characteristics
then is't it likely that environmental pressures could
cause a natural selection process to happen?

A population of mice could change so that most of
them were heat tolerant and that would result in
more heat tolerant offspring?

 

[StanJ]

So if man can artificially select certain characteristics
then is't it likely that environmental pressures could
cause a natural selection process to happen?

A population of mice could change so that most of
them were heat tolerant and that would result in
more heat tolerant offspring?

Well I'm not sure what you mean by artificially? They take breeds and those within the breeds that exhibit certain features that they like and they breed those and it is fairly successful and quick. Now adaptability is not that selective nor is it that quick so how are exactly is evolution Superior to creationism? God created man and all the species of plants and animals wuth exactly what they needed at that time.

 

[Loudmouth]

So if man can artificially select certain characteristics
then is't it likely that environmental pressures could
cause a natural selection process to happen?

A population of mice could change so that most of
them were heat tolerant and that would result in
more heat tolerant offspring?

Or mutations that cause black or brown fur could be selected for, depending on the type of environment that the mice live in.

http://www.pnas.org/content/100/9/5268.full

 

[Loudmouth]

Well I'm not sure what you mean by artificially? They take breeds and those within the breeds that exhibit certain features that they like and they breed those and it is fairly successful and quick. Now adaptability is not that selective nor is it that quick so how are exactly is evolution Superior to creationism? God created man and all the species of plants and animals wuth exactly what they needed at that time.

Evolution is superior because it is the process that actually occurred as shown by the evidence. In science, we don't base the conclusion on what we want to be true.

 

[Hoghead1]

Well I'm not sure what you mean by artificially? They take breeds and those within the breeds that exhibit certain features that they like and they breed those and it is fairly successful and quick. Now adaptability is not that selective nor is it that quick so how are exactly is evolution Superior to creationism? God created man and all the species of plants and animals wuth exactly what they needed at that time.

Evolution is superior because it means God is continually creating, as opposed to assuming God finished the job, ran out of creative energy, walked away, and that's that, nothing can really change, nothing new to look forward to.

 

[joshua 1 9]

No, it really isn't. Evolution is: " Change in the gene pool of a population from generation to generation by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift." What you are thinking of is the study of physics.

So evolution is not based on natural laws then. Of course not because it is just a man made fairly tale. [poe's law]

 

[StanJ]

No, it really isn't. Evolution is: " Change in the gene pool of a population from generation to generation by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift."

What you fail to mention is that those processes are part of what God created and called 'procreation'. They're all part of the ultimate process that God created to perpetuate life as we know it.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Evolution is superior because it means God is continually creating, as opposed to assuming God finished the job, ran out of creative energy, walked away, and that's that, nothing can really change, nothing new to look forward to.

God is restoring creation back to His purpose and intention.
TOE does not take into consideration the fallen condition of creation.

 

[bhsmte]

What you fail to mention is that those processes are part of what God created and called 'procreation'. They're all part of the ultimate process that God created to perpetuate life as we know it.

Prove it.

 

[bhsmte]

God is restoring creation back to His purpose and intention.
TOE does not take into consideration the fallen condition of creation.

Present evidence what you call; "the fallen condition" should be included in the TOE.

 

[StanJ]

Evasion.
Support you're claim or just be honest and state; you can't support it.

No, truth, that is denied by you. I will be honest and state that you have absolutely no ability to comprehend the spiritual world.

 

[VirOptimus]

No, truth, that is denied by you. I will be honest and state that you have absolutely no ability to comprehend the spiritual world.

Prove that there is a spritual world.