I would suggest the RCC is not the only "church" guilty of that so to use it against them alone is unfair.
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The Early Church is the Catholic Church
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Why do you single out RC's when this perversion knows no religious or cultural bounds? You might hear of more RC cases than Protestant or otherwise, but that is simply because the RC Church greatly outnumbers all others.
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No, it is sort of like Rorschach test. People will see the connections they want to see. From a historical and linguistic point of view however, there is no connection at all.
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Sure there are wolves out there in many places and "denominations". However, the problem is far and widespread among the RCC. To this there is no doubt and it is a fact, so much so even the current pope is forced to admit it.
Ezekiel 8
13Again, he said, “You will see them doing things that are even more detestable.”
14Then he brought me to the entrance of the north gate of the house of the Lord, and I saw women sitting there, mourning the god Tammuz. 15He said to me, “Do you see this, son of man? You will see things that are even more detestable than this.”
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2Timothy2:15
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This thread is about the RCC is it not? I do not need to single out the RCC, they have done it on their own.
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Something you just made up, you mean. You don't have any special, hidden knowledge.
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Even if each of those is true, it doesn't mean that every one of Peter's own successors in Rome is to basically be the emperor of every other Christian. After all, in 40 AD, Jerusalem was the center of Christianity and James was the bishop there. In Acts at the Council of Jerusalem, James is the one who states the final decision, which Peter had only previously proposed.
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In Australia we have been having a Royal Commission into child abuse and even though George Pell refused to come back to Australia to answer questions in a legal hearing he did answer questions. The scale of abuse that has come to light in Australia is, to put it blunty, simply gargantuan but at no stage has it come to light that the RCC has a bigger problem than other groups whether Christian based or not.
My, personal, problem with what has gone on is the RCC has acted poorly and has shown weakness. George Pell argued he couldn't come back to Australia because of ill health (heart problems) yet within days of the hearing, done via webcams, George was in the cafe district of Rome eating fatty foods and drinking more than a man in such a poor state of health should. George was also asked to organise a meeting between the pope and the victims who went to Vatican City to hear Georges testimony. The pope never got the message.
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If you (the OP) want to say that the Roman Catholic Church is a continuation of the early Church but that Protestant leaders like John Wesley started their own movements in the 16th-18th centuries, I can understand that.
But if you want to say that the Roman church is the only church that continues directly the 1st century Church, then I disagree because we have the EO Church.
If you say that the EO Church doesn't count because the Pope and his followers are always right or always part of the "true" church, then as a matter of simple logic I disagree because the RC Church teaches that there have been heretic Popes a the time when Eastern Christians were not heretics. That is the RC position. You can't automatically say that your position must be right because the Pope teaches it.
So if you really want to argue that the RC is "right", you have to go back and judge whether or not the Pope was right to break Christianity in half in 1054 AD.
But if you want to say that the Roman church is the only church that continues directly the 1st century Church, then I disagree because we have the EO Church.
If you say that the EO Church doesn't count because the Pope and his followers are always right or always part of the "true" church, then as a matter of simple logic I disagree because the RC Church teaches that there have been heretic Popes a the time when Eastern Christians were not heretics. That is the RC position. You can't automatically say that your position must be right because the Pope teaches it.
So if you really want to argue that the RC is "right", you have to go back and judge whether or not the Pope was right to break Christianity in half in 1054 AD.
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Um why only the split between East and West. The pope was the cause of the Reformation, his (in)actions caused Luther to write the thesis, his (in)actions caused the split. The idea that the separation between East and West is somehow greater than the separation between the RCC and Protestants is somehow lesser is ludicrous.
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But there are many churches (and cults) which have had members exposed as being pedophiles. (More were/are covered up than ever exposed, I'm sure.) There have been just as many as in secular organizations, too. I don't think the verse is being that general here. Will have to look into it further.
Please forgive me. I don't know all that much about Christian history, but I'm learning. (I've got 2000 years to catch up on!)
And I really do believe that you are all striving to keep each other truthful and centered upon God in your own way, because you care about each other's souls, and you care about the Lord. That is a hidden gift which largely goes unrecognized between your denominations. I sure love this family, where nobody demands you keep quiet!
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I'm secretly an albino monk that works for the Vatican, I'm actually the guy who runs the Vatican super computer with a database of all the names of Protestants all over the world. Also, we're currently in league with the lizard men and the five Jewish bankers. Nanu nanu.
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First of all, they are not dead.
Second of all, you are mistaken:
Rev. 5:8
. 8When He had taken the scroll, thefour living creatures and the twenty-fourelders fell down before the Lamb. Each onehad a harp, and they held the golden bowlsfull of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
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You are wrong. The Church recognizes that Honorius was declared a heretic for statements in a letter he wrote to Sergius.
However, he did not teach heresy in his role as pope.
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Not at all. In fact, a couple of posts ago you recommended prayer for me, which is great.
We pray for each other all the time as members of the body of Christ. We request prayers from others all the time. That doesn't mean we are other Christs.
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