The Early Church is the Catholic Church

[2Timothy2:15]

It matters because jesus-is-savior.com is a hate site that promulgates ignorance and misinformation.

-CryptoLutheran

It is not a hate site. So exposing heresy and false doctrine is hate now? Unreal. I do not endorse everything on his site but he does have a lot of information. By the way the things he has documented about the RCC have been documented by thousands already. Calling him hateful sounds like the same thing they called those who were martyred under the first inquisition. That is right the first inquisition when millions were killed because they would not give their allegiance to the pope, very christian right...... There will be a second inquisition but this one will be under the false one world religion and those who are killed once again for the testimony of Christ will once again be called haters.

 

[Thursday]

I trust the work and power of the LORD working "through" the church. I don't trust ANY group of humans, however wonderful, who claim to be divine.

Then you aren't actually following the word of God:

Matt 18
If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

1 John 4:6
We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

Luke 10:16
"Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me."

 

[rakovsky]

Here's a very detailed account:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07452b.htm

What detail in particular do you want to tell me?
The RC church says P Honorius was a heretic and EOS agree. There is not more to say. Roman popes and their followers have been considered heretics by the RC church.

 

[Thursday]

What detail in particular do you want to tell me?
The RC church says P Honorius was a heretic EOS agree. There is not more to say. Roman popes and their followers have been considered heretics by the RC church.

That's not the point. His heresy was not in his official capacity as pope. He did not make a heretical declaration as leader of the Church.

 

[2Timothy2:15]

The Church is divine. The Church wrote and compiled the books of the New Testament. Do you trust the work of the Church?

The Catholic church did not write a single scripture. First of all the OT was in existence long before there was anyone running about calling themselves catholic. Furthermore the gospels existed in the library at Alexandria long before 330AD. The Catholic church gathering already written documents and putting them in once format no more makes them an authority or author then if I got War and Peace and Moby Dick and made one huge book containing both books. Could I then claim to be the author of both famous novels? No, that is absurd, and so is the claim the the RCC is the author and reason that we have God's word today in any format.

 

[Thursday]

The Catholic church did not write a single scripture.

All the NT writers were members of the Church.

The Church then compiled the books of the New Testament, preserved them, and has been proclaiming them throughout the world for nearly 2000 years.

 

[tickingclocker]

Then you aren't actually following the word of God:

Matt 18
If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

1 John 4:6
We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

Luke 10:16
"Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me."

Like I said, you can twist scripture to say whatever it is you want, but that doesn't make it so. Taking those verses out of context isn't helping you any. In fact, they reveal your ignorance of the Word of God. Nothing in the above verses indicate that the church is divine.

I've never known one single Catholic who claimed to be divine, claimed the Catholic church is divine, or ever come across any literature that claimed such things either. So I haven't the faintest clue where it is that you are coming from. It sounds like you are trying desperately to cling to your faith from a highly defensive, but unrealistic mode. Why?

 

[2Timothy2:15]

All the NT writers were members of the Church.

The Church then compiled the books of the New Testament, preserved them, and has been proclaiming them throughout the world for nearly 2000 years.

Yes they were members of the "church", the ekkelesia, those who belong to Jesus, not an institution.

 

[Thursday]

Like I said, you can twist scripture to say whatever it is you want, but that doesn't make it so.

I took nothing out of context.

The meaning is quite clear, which seems to be why you are ignoring the verses.

 

[Thursday]

Yes they were members of the "church", the ekkelesia, those who belong to Jesus, not an institution.

Jesus built his Church. He gave his Church leaders. He gave these leaders his authority to teach, make rules, and forgive sins.

He gave his Church his promise to be with it until the end of the world.

 

[tickingclocker]

All the NT writers were members of the Church.

The Church then compiled the books of the New Testament, preserved them, and has been proclaiming them throughout the world for nearly 2000 years.

And Who do you think enabled the power to do such a thing? Are you forgetting about God here? Is He secondary to your church? Do you believe the Catholic church is.... God? THEY don't even believe that! That would make the church an idol.

I think you might be a little confused.

 

[2Timothy2:15]

Like I said, you can twist scripture to say whatever it is you want, but that doesn't make it so. Taking those verses out of context isn't helping you any. In fact, they reveal your ignorance of the Word of God. Nothing in the above verses indicate that the church is divine.

I've never known one single Catholic who claimed to be divine, claimed the Catholic church is divine, or ever come across any literature that claimed such things either. So I haven't the faintest clue where it is that you are coming from. It sounds like you are trying desperately to cling to your faith from a highly defensive, but unrealistic mode. Why?

It is the use of scripture out of context and the use of Catholic dogma and history to validate Catholic dogma and Catholic history.

 

[tickingclocker]

I took nothing out of context.

The meaning is quite clear, which seems to be why you are ignoring the verses.

Reread those verses and think about what they say. Take your time. None of them are claiming the church is divine.

 

[Thursday]

And Who do you think enabled the power to do such a thing? Are you forgetting about God here? Is He secondary to your church? Do you believe the Catholic church is.... God? THEY don't even believe that! That would make the church an idol.

I think you might be a little confused.

You don't seem to understand the words "Body of Christ".

 

[Thursday]

Reread those verses and think about what it says. Take your time. None of them are claiming the church is divine.

The Church has the authority of Christ, is led by the Holy Spirit into all truth, and will never fail.

That can't happen by human means, but only by divine authority.

 

[tickingclocker]

It is the use of scripture out of context and the use of Catholic dogma and history to validate Catholic dogma and Catholic history.

And we need to lovingly pray for the Lord to enlighten Thursday's understanding. We've all been there. Haven't we? Stuck on something we are having trouble with. Right?

 

[Thursday]

The Church has the authority of Christ, is led by the Holy Spirit into all truth, and will never fail.

That can't happen by human means, but only by divine authority.

But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

 

[tickingclocker]

You don't seem to understand the words "Body of Christ".

You don't seem to understand that humans are never going to be gods. If you believe they were, are, or will become somehow divine, like God---you might as well become a Mormon. That's what they believe. They also believe their church is "divine" as well.

Are you a Mormon or are you a Catholic?

 

[tickingclocker]

But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

Doesn't make the hearer divine just because they heard divine words. It keeps the divine words rightfully as divine truth.

 

[Thursday]

You don't seem to understand that humans are never going to be gods. If you believe they were, are, or will become somehow divine, like God---you might as well become a Mormon. That's what they believe. They also believe their church is "divine" as well.

Are you a Mormon or are you a Catholic?

You are ignoring what I write and posting gibberish.

As I said before, all people, including popes, are fallible sinners.

The Church is the creation of Christ, however, and is protected from teaching error.

I believe the words of Jesus on this matter. They seem to trouble you.

Trust the words of Jesus.