Where is a "6000 year old earth" found in scripture?

[SkyWriting]

Look! It's numbers. Do you get that. This isn't some mystical phrase or word or convoluted or ambiguous sentence. It's a number! Adam is 130 years old when Seth was born. How hard is it for a believer who believes the Scriptures when they tell us that Adam was created on the 6th day of God's work in creating this realm to understand that the creation was within 366 days of being 130 years old on the day that Seth was born. How hard is that?God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

There is a 70% difference between the oldest guess
and the youngest guesstimate.
You didn't cover the entire process.
It took Ussher years and 1000 pages to document.
That is not a message from God.

All major teachings in scripture come from old and new testament
and have multiple authors backing-up the concepts from various
points of view.

Your idea fails these basic tests.

Lets see if others have tests:

When doctrinal disputes arise, if a person cannot or will not prove beliefs using clear and unambiguous scriptures, that fact should raise a red flag. Clear scriptures are a solid-rock foundation. Ambiguous scriptures, open to private interpretation, lead to a foundation of sand.

So the next question, are these numbers subject to private interpretation?
The data says yes: 5501, 4001, 3983, 3958, 3949, 3927, 3836 B.C.

Even Usshers guesses are sandy.

1. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Ge 1:1 This beginning of time, according to our chronology, happened at the start of the evening preceding the 23rd day of October in the year of the Julian calendar, 710.
http://gospelpedlar.com/articles/Bible/Usher.pdf

 

[mark kennedy]

There is a 70% difference between the oldest guess
and the youngest guesstimate.
You didn't cover the entire process.
It took Ussher years and 1000 pages to document.
That is not a message from God.

The actual text is a message from God:

Adam 130
Seth 105
Enos 90
Cainan 70
Mahalaleel 65
Jared 162
Enoch 65
Methusalah 187
Lamech 182
Noah 500

Sum Total 1556

3 When Adam had lived 130 years,
6 When Seth had lived 105 years,
9 When Enosh had lived 90 years,
12 When Kenan had lived 70 years,
15 When Mahalalel had lived 65 years,
18 When Jared had lived 162 years,
21 When Enoch had lived 65 years,
25 When Methuselah had lived 187 years,
28 When Lamech had lived 182 years, he had a son.
32 After Noah was 500 years old,
New International Version (NIV)

3 And Adam lived a hundred and thirty years,
6 Seth also lived a hundred and five years, and begot Enos.
9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begot Cainan.
12 And Cainan lived seventy years, and begot Malaleel.
15 And Malaleel lived sixty-five years, and begot Jared.
18 And Jared lived a hundred and sixty-two years, and begot Henoch.
21 And Henoch lived sixty-five years, and begot Mathusala.
25 And Mathusala lived a hundred and eighty-seven years, and begot Lamech.
28 And Lamech lived a hundred and eighty-two years, and begot a son.
31 And Noe, when he was five hundred years old, begot Sem, Cham, and Japheth.
Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

3 Now Adam lived an hundred and thirty years
6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years
9 Also Enosh lived ninety years
12 Likewise Cainan lived seventy years
15 Mahalalel also lived sixty and five years
18 And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years
21 Also Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah.
25 Methuselah also lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech.
28 Then Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son,
32 And Noah was five hundred years old. And Noah begat Shem, Ham and Japheth.
1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
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You have never admitted to an actual miracle, let alone a message from God. That should be telling you something.

All major teachings in scripture come from old and new testament
and have multiple authors backing-up the concepts from various
points of view.

Except the clear testimony of Scripture which is something you never appeal to.

Your idea fails these basic tests.

You have your nerve.

Lets see if others have tests:

Indeed, lets see how you stand up under such tests.

When doctrinal disputes arise, if a person cannot or will not prove beliefs using clear and unambiguous scriptures, that fact should raise a red flag. Clear scriptures are a solid-rock foundation. Ambiguous scriptures, open to private interpretation, lead to a foundation of sand.

Even Usshers guesses are sandy.

The quote is wonderful, it's a scathing indictment against you. Show me a single exegetical translation from credible scholarship that is ambiguous. Just one and I will concede your point, otherwise, expect to see this argument again every time you make this pointless rationalization.

Have a nice day
Mark

 

[SkyWriting]

The actual text is a message from God

In what way?

 

[SkyWriting]

You have never admitted to an actual miracle, let alone a message from God.

I don't know how you researched that. I question your procedures.
(I cover both topics in my Sig file)

 

[SkyWriting]

That should be telling you something.

Likely you have something in mind that you are projecting as a voice, I should hear.
Not revealing what the voices are saying is more dramatic...I guess.

 

[SkyWriting]

The quote is wonderful, it's a scathing indictment against you. Show me a single exegetical translation from credible scholarship that is ambiguous. Just one and I will concede your point, otherwise, expect to see this argument again every time you make this pointless rationalization.

The scriptures are open to individual interpretation, (as you are misusing them)
based on the data or ambiguous results of scholars,
each one a better known researcher than yourself:

Scholor/year/ambiguous guesstimate B.C.
Julius Africanus c. 240 5501
George Syncellus c. 810 5492
John Jackson 1752 5426
Dr William Hales c. 1830 5411
Eusebius c. 330 5199
Marianus Scotus c. 1070 4192
L. Condomanus n/a 4141
Thomas Lydiat c. 1600 4103
M. Michael Maestlinus c. 1600 4079
J. Ricciolus n/a 4062
Jacob Salianus c. 1600 4053
H. Spondanus c. 1600 4051
Martin Anstey 1913 4042
W. Lange n/a 4041
E. Reinholt n/a 4021
J. Cappellus c. 1600 4005
E. Greswell 1830 4004
E. Faulstich 1986 4001
D. Petavius c. 1627 3983
Frank Klassen 1975 3975
Becke n/a 3974
Krentzeim n/a 3971
W. Dolen 2003 3971
E. Reusnerus n/a 3970
J. Claverius n/a 3968
C. Longomontanus c. 1600 3966
P. Melanchthon c. 1550 3964
J. Haynlinus n/a 3963
A. Salmeron d. 1585 3958
J. Scaliger d. 1609 3949
M. Beroaldus c. 1575 3927
A. Helwigius c. 1630 3836

 

[SkyWriting]

Mistaken about what!!! I'm not talking about estimates, I'm talking about the clear testimony of Scripture, from every major translation from 1599 to 1973. If your going to correct me I would appreciate it if you actually offered something that at least contradicted me.

Note how no two estimates (Creation B.C.) before Bishop Ussher are alike:

5501, 5492, 5426, 5411, 5199, 4192, 4141, 4103, 4079, 4062, 4053, 4051, 4042, 4041, 4021, 4005, 4004, 4001, 3983, 3975, 3974, 3971, 3971, 3970, 3968, 3966, 3964, 3963, 3958, 3949, 3927, 3836

 

[SkyWriting]

I'm ok with the numbers being a few hundred years different. That anomaly is explained based on the source text that was used. The masoretic text and the septuagint text have a base difference of a couple of hundred years. I'm fine with that.

That's one of the reasons why calculations on the age of the earth, based on scripture, are nonsense.

 

[SkyWriting]

you want to be rude. Is that love out of a pure heart and of a good conscience?

That's a rude question JFYI.
I don't mind.

 

[greenguzzi]

I honestly have no idea where you get that idea. Ἰησοῦς (G2424 Iēsous ē-ā-sü's) Notice the pronunciation key indicates a long e, long a, then sü's (the upsilon having a sound like the u in universe, or stew. It's obviously an attempt at an awkward transliteration because it's hard to communicate the original pronunciation.

Oh and by the way, the name means 'Jehovah is Salvation', which was a common way to choose a name using either 'Eli' or 'Jehovah'.

I don't know why we are dwelling on this point but I enjoy word searches. It's the kind of thing that can go on forever.

Grace and peace,
Mark

Excellent banter.

I'm dwelling on this point because the subject of this thread is ludicrous.

 

[greenguzzi]

That's simply wrong.

Yehoshua – Original Hebrew Name meaning Yahweh is salvation
Yeshua – Shortened Hebrew version during/after Babylonian exile
Iesous – Yeshua translated into Greek
Iesvs – Yeshua translated into Latin
Iesus – Original King James English Edition
Jesus – Modern English Versions


Yeshua was a common alternative form of the name Yehoshuah or in the English Joshua. In Greek the spelling is Iesous. In Latin the spelling is Iesus. In English the spelling is Jesus. The name "Jesus" is fully accurate for any English translation of the Greek name.

Except the hard "J" and the final "s" don't belong in His actual name. The middle "ee" is also absent from the original.
So the beginning, middle, and end are wrong. Otherwise we English speakers nailed the name of our (so called) Lord.

Where's the respect? I hate it when people get my name wrong.

 

[greenguzzi]

Yes, it is. The angel said "call His name Yeshua, for He shall save His people from their sins".
Yeshua becomes
Iésous: Jesus or Joshua, the name of the Messiah, also three other Isr.
Original Word: Ἰησοῦς, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: Iésous...

Since Babel, the names are spelled differently in the confounded tongues, but they are the same names.
John is Ivan, in Russian, and my own name is Hebrew "earth/eretz", which is, since Babel, in the tongue come down to English "Terrie/Teri/Terri", and so on. the "tzadi" at the end [ts/tz sound] becomes "T", when reversed.
You are not looking at the tower confounding of the tongues when you make a claim that the word is not in the Bible.
The Original "Bible" is not written in English, but Jesus is English for what is, in Hebrew, Yeshua -having come through Greek.

Excellent answer! You win the argument, and my respect. (It's all I have to offer.)
I am convinced.
I have never heard the Tower used to answer this problem before.
Thank you Terri.

 

[ewq1938]

Except the hard "J" and the final "s" don't belong in His actual name.

They do in the English.

The middle "ee" is also absent from the original.

That's because this is showing how the name changes through the various languages.

Where's the respect? I hate it when people get my name wrong.

Names in the past were not carried over in their original form. They are translated into the new languages.

 

[SkyWriting]

Hi rubiks,

Can't speak for how others determine this number, but here's how I have.

Day 1 of the creation of this realm God speaks into existence the earth.
Day 6 of the creation of this realm God forms the first man, Adam, from dirt.
The first man, Adam, lives until he is 130 years and has Seth.
Seth has Enosh when he is 105. (This realm of creation is now 135 years old.)
Enosh has Kenan when he is 90.
Kenan has Mahalalel when he is 70.
Mahalalel has Jared when he is 65. (The realm in which we live is now 360 y/o)
Jared has Enoch when he is 162.
Enoch has Methusalah when he is 65.
Methuselah has Lamech when he is 187.
Lamech has Noah when he is 182. (God's created realm is now 956 y/o)

According to the literal reading of the Scriptures, everything that exists in this realm that God created for man is 956 years old on the day that Noah is born.

Noah was at least 500 years old when he became the father of Shem, and died at the age of 950. However, the flood came when Noah was 600 years old and so we know that there can only be a 100 year discrepancy as to when Shem was born because he was with Noah in the ark. But, if we read carefully Genesis 11 we find that Shem was 100, two years after the flood. So, allowing for some fudge room, the creation is within 2 ears of 1,456 years. (he was born to Noah after Noah was 500. The flood came when Noah was 600. When Noah was 601 the flood waters were dried up) So, depending on whether one decides that 'after the flood' refers to the day it began or the day it was said to be gone, we must allow some wiggle room. Two years after the flood Shem was 100 years old.

When Shem was 100 he had Arphaxad. The creation is 1,558 years old =/- 2.
When Arphaxad was 35 he had Shelah.
When Shelah was 30 he had Eber.
When Eber was 34 he had Peleg.
When Peleg was 30 he had Reu.
When Reu was 32 he had Serug.
When Serug was 30 he had Nahor.
When Nahor was 29 he had Terah. (the creation is now 1,788 y/o +/- 2)


Sometime after Tereh lived 70 years, but before he lived 205 years, he had Abram.

However, we read that by the time Terah died Abram had married and they had begun a journey to Canaan. The family settled in Haran and Terah never made it to Canaan. Therefore, we can shave quite a few years off of that 135 year gap if we logically figure that the marriage of Abram to Sarai probably would have been several years before Terah died. The other option is that Abram, Nahor and Haran were triplets and all born when Terah was 70 years old. Either way, any gap would likely be less than probably 100 years.

So, now the creation of this realm which God made for man is now 1,988 years old +/- 60 years. I added the median number of years (140) and that should put us either up or down 60 years from 1,988 years to the birth of Abram.

Abram (now Abraham) is 100 years old when Isaac is born. (creation age 2,088 +/- 60)
Isaac was 60 when Rebecca had the twins, Jacob and Esau.
Jacob was 130 years old when he went to Egypt. (age of creation 2,118 +/- 60)

Now, there is some disagreement as to exactly how long Israel was in Egypt, but the Scriptures declare it to be 430 years. So, creation to the Exodus, according to the Scriptures, 2,548 +/- 60 years.

40 years Israel wandered in the desert and then we have to research the judges and kings accounts to determine the years, but most biblical studies put the number of years between the exodus and Jesus coming @ 1,450 years, but we do have to allow for some fudge factor there, but, at most only a couple of hundred years.

So, 2,548 years of creation to the exodus + 1,450 years to Jesus + 2014 (today's year count) puts us @ 6,012 years +/- 200 from the day that Adam was created to me sitting at this computer. The secondary support for this total comes from Israel itself. Remember that they are God's witnesses to the world. The Hebrew year, which is fairly carefully calculated from what Israel believes to be the beginning is 5,774, although there are some disagreements there also, but only again, a couple of hundred years.

I hope that this helps. God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

That's all a bunch of mumbo jumbo. The scriptures were not intended for
Math Majors, bean counters, history buffs, biblical scholars,
or people like Bishop Ussher being paid to sit around with an abacus
and add up scores of dates and ages so that all of humanity can finally
understand the age of earth.

 

[miamited]

That's all a bunch of mumbo jumbo. The scriptures were not intended for
Math Majors, bean counters, history buffs, biblical scholars,
or people like Bishop Ussher being paid to sit around with an abacus
and add up scores of dates and ages so that all of humanity can finally
understand the age of earth.

Hi skywriting,

What, you're going to go all the way back to the beginning of this thread and start the whole discussion over again. Go for it! I'm outta here.

It's been your position throughout these last 500+ posts that the ages given in the Scriptures were not intended by God for man to add up. I disagree and nothing you've posted so far has changed my understanding. If you want to start from the beginning again you'll have to argue your position with someone else. I've heard your complaint, processed your evidence, and rejected it.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[SkyWriting]

Hi skywriting,

What, you're going to go all the way back to the beginning of this thread and start the whole discussion over again. Go for it! I'm outta here.

It's been your position throughout these last 500+ posts that the ages given in the Scriptures were not intended by God for man to add up. I disagree and nothing you've posted so far has changed my understanding. If you want to start from the beginning again you'll have to argue your position with someone else. I've heard your complaint, processed your evidence, and rejected it.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

My goal, as always, is to weigh both sides
each time I defend a position. I'm always
grateful to those who don't agree.

 

[SkyWriting]

You should realize, this is a downward spiral you will not recover from. Living things, including man, were created fully formed and capable of procreation. Unlike some posters God's creation is fully developed and mature. Your spiraling out of control dude, pull up before it's too late. Have a nice day Mark

Well, that prophecy backfired badly for you.
I hope you survived the impact.

 

[mark kennedy]

Well, that prophecy backfired badly for you.
I hope you survived the impact.

Nothing in this post but an ad hominem remark, I wouldn't even dignify it by calling it an attack, just shamelessly begging the question of proof on your hands and knees. At the end of the discussion it's close encounters of the pedantic one liners. Nothing of any substance has survived and it's purely personal and derogatory in nature. It would not be so bad if it were not so constant.

I rest my case...and oh...BTW:

It's been your position throughout these last 500+ posts that the ages given in the Scriptures were not intended by God for man to add up. I disagree and nothing you've posted so far has changed my understanding. If you want to start from the beginning again you'll have to argue your position with someone else. I've heard your complaint, processed your evidence, and rejected it.

Well said, kudos and God speed.

Have a nice day
Mark

 

[SkyWriting]

At the end of the discussion it's close encounters of the pedantic one liners. Nothing of any substance has survived and it's purely personal and derogatory in nature. It would not be so bad if it were not so constant.

{Yawn} There are 8 responses you've ignored so far.
I assumed you'd ignore that last one as well.
Which is fine by me. But silly to pick on #8 and hide
from the 7 before it.

 

[SkyWriting]

For those who believe in it, how are those years calculated according to scripture?

God put all the details right out front where any beggar on the street
could easily come to full knowledge about the age of the earth.
Here it is easy and simple:

Day 1 of the creation of this realm God speaks into existence the earth.Day 6 of the creation of this realm God forms the first man, Adam, from dirt.The first man, Adam, lives until he is 130 years and has Seth.Seth has Enosh when he is 105. (This realm of creation is now 135 years old.)Enosh has Kenan when he is 90.Kenan has Mahalalel when he is 70.Mahalalel has Jared when he is 65. (The realm in which we live is now 360 y/o)Jared has Enoch when he is 162.Enoch has Methusalah when he is 65.Methuselah has Lamech when he is 187.Lamech has Noah when he is 182. (God's created realm is now 956 y/o)According to the literal reading of the Scriptures, everything that exists in this realm that God created for man is 956 years old on the day that Noah is born.Noah was at least 500 years old when he became the father of Shem, and died at the age of 950. However, the flood came when Noah was 600 years old and so we know that there can only be a 100 year discrepancy as to when Shem was born because he was with Noah in the ark. But, if we read carefully Genesis 11 we find that Shem was 100, two years after the flood. So, allowing for some fudge room, the creation is within 2 ears of 1,456 years. (he was born to Noah after Noah was 500. The flood came when Noah was 600. When Noah was 601 the flood waters were dried up) So, depending on whether one decides that 'after the flood' refers to the day it began or the day it was said to be gone, we must allow some wiggle room. Two years after the flood Shem was 100 years old.When Shem was 100 he had Arphaxad. The creation is 1,558 years old =/- 2.When Arphaxad was 35 he had Shelah.When Shelah was 30 he had Eber.When Eber was 34 he had Peleg.When Peleg was 30 he had Reu.When Reu was 32 he had Serug.When Serug was 30 he had Nahor.When Nahor was 2 he had Terah. (the creation is now 1,788 y/o +/- 2)Sometime after Tereh lived 70 years, but before he lived 205 years, he had Abram.However, we read that by the time Terah died Abram had married and they had begun a journey to Canaan. The family settled in Haran and Terah never made it to Canaan. Therefore, we can shave quite a few years off of that 135 year gap if we logically figure that the marriage of Abram to Sarai probably would have been several years before Terah died. The other option is that Abram, Nahor and Haran were triplets and all born when Terah was 70 years old. Either way, any gap would likely be less than probably 100 years.So, now the creation of this realm which God made for man is now 1,988 years old +/- 60 years. I added the median number of years (140) and that should put us either up or down 60 years from 1,988 years to the birth of Abram.Abram (now Abraham) is 100 years old when Isaac is born. (creation age 2,088 +/- 60)Isaac was 60 when Rebecca had the twins, Jacob and Esau.Jacob was 130 years old when he went to Egypt. (age of creation 2,118 +/- 60)Now, there is some disagreement as to exactly how long Israel was in Egypt, but the Scriptures declare it to be 430 years. So, creation to the Exodus, according to the Scriptures, 2,548 +/- 60 years.40 years Israel wandered in the desert and then we have to research the judges and kings accounts to determine the years, but most biblical studies put the number of years between the exodus and Jesus coming @ 1,450 years, but we do have to allow for some fudge factor there, but, at most only a couple of hundred years.So, 2,548 years of creation to the exodus + 1,450 years to Jesus + 2014 (today's year count) puts us @ 6,012 years +/- 200 from the day that Adam was created to me sitting at this computer. The secondary support for this total comes from Israel itself. Remember that they are God's witnesses to the world. The Hebrew year, which is fairly carefully calculated from what Israel believes to be the beginning is 5,774, although there are some disagreements there also, but only again, a couple of hundred years.