Where is a "6000 year old earth" found in scripture?

[SkyWriting]

False premise, since genealogies are not used in the New Testament to support a Young Earth cosmology it can't be done.

No. It means the idea is not from God.

 

[SkyWriting]

Unlike some posters God's creation is fully developed and mature.

That's what I've been trying to tell you.
There is no "young earth doctrine",
on page or off.

King James Bible
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

 

[mark kennedy]

Joshua: From the Hebrew "Yĕhowshuwa`", from "YHVH" and "yasha", meaning "YHVH is salvation". It does have a translation, and that translation is not "savior".

I wasn't intending a literal exegesis there, this is what I had in mind when I made the statement:

She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins." (Matt. 1:21)​

Amen: From the Hebrew "amen", meaning "so be it" or "truly".

Sure that's what it means but it's not translated, it's transliterated (אָמֵן 'amen H543). In other words because it has no English equivalent it's pronounced the same in English as it is in Hebrew.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Joshua: From the Hebrew "Yĕhowshuwa`", from "YHVH" and "yasha", meaning "YHVH is salvation". It does have a translation, and that translation is not "savior".

Amen: From the Hebrew "amen", meaning "so be it" or "truly".

Num 13:16

These are the names of the men which Moses sent to spy out the land. And Moses called Oshea the son of Nun Jehoshua.
Oshea is "Salvation/Deliverer. Moses added YH is Salvation/Deliverer.
Hosea, Isaiah, Joshua are all "Salvation". Jehoshua is YH is Salvation.

Strong's Concordance
Hoshea: "salvation," the name of several Israelites
Original Word: הוֹשֵׁ֫עַ
Part of Speech: Proper Name Masculine
Transliteration: Hoshea
Phonetic Spelling: (ho-shay'-ah)
Short Definition: Hoshea

Word Origin
from yasha
Definition
"salvation," the name of several Isr.
NASB Translation
Hosea (3), Hoshea (12), Joshua (1).

The angel said," You shall call His name Yeshua, for He shall save His people from their sins".

Amen means faithful and true.
Jesus is the Amen, the hidden God in heaven, who was worshipped by the Egyptians [after they were taught about Him by Abraham, from the Book of Enoch, as Abraham said He did when Sarah was returned by Pharoah's wise men, who asked Abraham to teach them "wisdom, values and truth"; so Abraham said he "read to them from the Book of Enoch", -which is in the Genesis Apocryphon manuscripts in the Dead Sea Scrolls].

Paul said all men once knew, but changed the truth of God into a lie, and so the Egyptians evolved a lie about God, Amen, the hidden God in heaven who created all things, whom they wrote of as if it was New Testament truth,before they changed His truth into a lie, because they got the Truth of the Amen, from Abraham who got it from the Book of Enoch, which He got from Noah and Shem. -they were contempories, and Shem outlived Abraham and was the Priest of the Most High God in Salem, who blessed Abram with the blessing of "firstborn" and "high priest"......
Jesus tells us He is "The Amen" -the same once hidden but now revealed "Amen" whom ancient Egypt worshiped and who backslid from and changed His truth into a lie, like all men do as Paul said in Rmans 1.
God promises to restore Egypt to Himself, just as He will restore Israel to Himself...

 

[SkyWriting]

Not the question of the thread and still no reference to doctrine, essential or otherwise.

That's what I've been trying to tell you.
There is no "young earth doctrine,"
on page or off.

Even the heavens proclaim the great age of the cosmos. Have you seen
any young stars? You know "Fetus" stars or newborns?
Any new planets? Any new anything in space since recorded history?
The heavens declare no "young" doctrine either.

Romans 1:19 For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.

What about hills?
Deuteronomy 33:15
"And with the best things of the ancient mountains, And with the choice things of the everlasting hills,

What about perpetual mountains? ancient hills?

6 He stood and surveyed the earth;
He looked and startled the nations.
Yes, the perpetual mountains were shattered,
The ancient hills collapsed.
His ways are everlasting.

 

[SkyWriting]

Denying the doctrine of creation without ever admitting there is such a thing.

I'm not denying the 7 day creation doctrine at all. Never have.

 

[SkyWriting]

For those who believe in it, how are those years calculated according to scripture?

The big problem being that Creation is described as not being 7 days old.
But YE Creationists attempt to place the age of Creation week at zero
but scripture doesn't describe it as "zero". So it's a lot of effort with zero
to show for all the work.

 

[SkyWriting]

Abram (now Abraham) is 100 years old when Isaac is born. (creation age 2,088 +/- 60)

There is a 70% difference between the oldest guess and the youngest guesstimate.
This is one of several points showing that the task is not of God's design
and is similar to the tower of Babel.

 

[SkyWriting]

For those who believe in it, how are those years calculated according to scripture?

Bishop Ussher took a couple years to guesstimate the age of the earth and
published over 1000 pages to support his detailed theory. His analysis also
included the time and day of the week.

 

[SkyWriting]

I know you meant that in a snide way, but it's interesting you bring up the Watchtower. For JW's basically believe what you believe about Genesis. They are firm creationists, but also accept the billions of years. They do this by compromising on the length of each day.

I don't feel there is a logical bridge. The problems arise when people
insist on creating one.

 

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[SkyWriting]

You should realize, this is a downward spiral you will not recover from. Living things, including man, were created fully formed and capable of procreation. Unlike some posters God's creation is fully developed and mature. Your spiraling out of control dude, pull up before it's too late.
Mark

Swell commentary but off the topic..

 

[SkyWriting]

Hi all,

Just rereading my post and I see that I made a 100 year mistake in my first calculation which should throw everything else off 100 years. The first addition of years of Adam and Seth should have been 235 years. Sorry. However, that should still fall within the 200 year allowance for 'error'.

God bless
In Christ, Ted

Which goes to my point that Numerology should not be practiced.
Anything outside of basic math in scripture is extremely rare.
7 times 7 is about as advanced as Scripture goes.

 

[SkyWriting]

It is my understanding of the Scriptures that everything in the realm in which we live, which would be from the farthest star to the smallest atomic structure, is only about 6,000 years old. God made the man from the dirt of the earth that He had created about 5 days earlier. The plants and animals, just like the first man, were created fully formed and flourishing with their respective fruit.

So the age of Adam
the age of the plant
and the age of the fruit
would not be "zero."

You can say 6000 years have passed since that writing, or since Adam.
But you can't say Adam was "Zero" when Created. You can't point
to a rock Adam was sitting on and say "that rock's age is zero".

 

[greenguzzi]

I really missed the point you were bringing up about 'Jesus'. Jesus (G2424 Ἰησοῦς) is used over 900 times in the New Testament and is actually a transliteration of Joshua which simply means Savior. If you mean it's untranslatable that's true, that holds true for a lot of words like Amen. When it can't be translated the exegetical scholar with simply transliterate it.

But in Hebrew, Jesus is "Yeshua", and it is the name the father of Joshua gave him, which Moses renamed Him to what is translated as Joshua.

You both made my point for me, seemingly without realising that you had done so.
A transliteration of Ἰησοῦς would be something like "Eesho" or "Eshoo". Which is equivalent (or "translated") to "Yeshua" and "Joshua".
But "Jesus" is neither an equivalent, nor a "translation", nor a transliteration. It's a mis-transliteration - that is, it's a corruption, and quite a recent one too.
Therefore "Jesus" is not in the Bible.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

You both made my point for me, seemingly without realising that you had done so.
A transliteration of Ἰησοῦς would be something like "Eesho" or "Eshoo". Which is equivalent (or "translated") to "Yeshua" and "Joshua".
But "Jesus" is neither an equivalent, nor a "translation", nor a transliteration. It's a mis-transliteration - that is, it's a corruption, and quite a recent one too.
Therefore "Jesus" is not in the Bible.

Yes, it is. The angel said "call His name Yeshua, for He shall save His people from their sins".
Yeshua becomes
Iésous: Jesus or Joshua, the name of the Messiah, also three other Isr.
Original Word: Ἰησοῦς, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: Iésous...

Since Babel, the names are spelled differently in the confounded tongues, but they are the same names.
John is Ivan, in Russian, and my own name is Hebrew "earth/eretz", which is, since Babel, in the tongue come down to English "Terrie/Teri/Terri", and so on. the "tzadi" at the end [ts/tz sound] becomes "T", when reversed.
You are not looking at the tower confounding of the tongues when you make a claim that the word is not in the Bible.
The Original "Bible" is not written in English, but Jesus is English for what is, in Hebrew, Yeshua -having come through Greek.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

So the age of Adam
the age of the plant
and the age of the fruit
would not be "zero."

You can say 6000 years have passed since that writing, or since Adam.
But you can't say Adam was "Zero" when Created. You can't point
to a rock Adam was sitting on and say "that rock's age is zero".

Yes, we could have -if we had been there, which we were not.
God did. He was there and He told us how to determine its age...
He did it all in six days, and on day 3, He commanded the waters to be gathered together in one place and the "dry" to appear.
He called the dry "earth", and the waters He called seas.
So all that is dust was called out of the waters on day 3 of creation week, so if Adam sat on a "rock" the day he was created, that rock was three days older than he was.
This argument of yours is really silly and has no point and no foundation for argument....really silly.
Give it up!

 

[miamited]

There is a 70% difference between the oldest guess and the youngest guesstimate.
This is one of several points showing that the task is not of God's design
and is similar to the tower of Babel.

Hi skywriting,

I'm always fairly confabulated when people say things that they contribute to God that man has done, and then say that it can't be of God.

I suppose that sounds fairly confusing so let me explain.

On another thread recently there was some discussion on a post about how if the earth 'looks' old to us; or in some way that we have devised to 'measure' the age of the earth seems old to us by those measurements, but...

If the account given in the Genesis account really turns out to be the truth as regards when the earth was created, then that would make God a liar. Who doesn't get that such a scenario doesn't make God a liar. It makes man a liar.

If the measurements that man has devised to determine the age of the earth turn out not to be accurate - God isn't the one who lied.

Similarly, you have determined that since man can't seem to add up the numbers that God has given us accurately and the same in every case, that God can't be behind the numbers in the Scriptures. Or that because man can't seem to come to some agreement that meets your expectations of how accurately we should be able to determine this issue then God didn't want us to do this.

Look! It's numbers. Do you get that. This isn't some mystical phrase or word or convoluted or ambiguous sentence. It's a number! Adam is 130 years old when Seth was born. How hard is it for a believer who believes the Scriptures when they tell us that Adam was created on the 6th day of God's work in creating this realm to understand that the creation was within 366 days of being 130 years old on the day that Seth was born. How hard is that?

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[ewq1938]

Therefore "Jesus" is not in the Bible.

That's simply wrong.

Yehoshua – Original Hebrew Name meaning Yahweh is salvation
Yeshua – Shortened Hebrew version during/after Babylonian exile
Iesous – Yeshua translated into Greek
Iesvs – Yeshua translated into Latin
Iesus – Original King James English Edition
Jesus – Modern English Versions


Yeshua was a common alternative form of the name Yehoshuah or in the English Joshua. In Greek the spelling is Iesous. In Latin the spelling is Iesus. In English the spelling is Jesus. The name "Jesus" is fully accurate for any English translation of the Greek name.

 

[mark kennedy]

You both made my point for me, seemingly without realising that you had done so.
A transliteration of Ἰησοῦς would be something like "Eesho" or "Eshoo". Which is equivalent (or "translated") to "Yeshua" and "Joshua".
But "Jesus" is neither an equivalent, nor a "translation", nor a transliteration. It's a mis-transliteration - that is, it's a corruption, and quite a recent one too.
Therefore "Jesus" is not in the Bible.

I honestly have no idea where you get that idea. Ἰησοῦς (G2424 Iēsous ē-ā-sü's) Notice the pronunciation key indicates a long e, long a, then sü's (the upsilon having a sound like the u in universe, or stew. It's obviously an attempt at an awkward transliteration because it's hard to communicate the original pronunciation.

Oh and by the way, the name means 'Jehovah is Salvation', which was a common way to choose a name using either 'Eli' or 'Jehovah'.

I don't know why we are dwelling on this point but I enjoy word searches. It's the kind of thing that can go on forever.

Grace and peace,
Mark