Gal 3 - the Gospel and God's Commandments

[BobRyan]

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.


Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.


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In Gal 1:6-9 Paul says there has always-and-ever been only ONE Gospel.

In Gal 3:7 that ONE Gospel - was "preached to Abraham".

In John 8 - "Abraham SAW My day and was glad"

In Gen 26:5 Abraham KEPT God's Commandments, Laws, Statutes.

1. In Gal 3 as in Romans 3 Paul makes the case that the Law applies to ALL mankind regardless of Jew or Gentile and that by that Law ALL are condemned as sinners - ALL need a savior.

2. As Paul points out in Gal 3 the Law of God does not "Save" it is not a "kind of savior" that used to work in the OT but now doesn't work so well. It never functioned as "savior".

3. Paul points out in Romans 7 and in Romans 10 that a person is born-again "Saved" at the moment that "faith comes". RND makes a good point about Heb 11 providing a great example of the giants of the faith - for whom "Faith had come" and they were "found pleasing to God" as a result of that Gospel transaction in their lives.

This is the same gospel event Paul is identifying in Gal 3 for all mankind. All mankind is lost - kept under bondage to sin and under condemnation of the law UNTIL we come to Christ and accept salvation. This was true in OT AND in NT. No change.

As Paul argues in Gal 3:7 the Gospel "was preached to Abraham".

As Paul argues in Heb 4:1 "the Gospel was preached to US just as it was to them".

As Paul argues in Gal 1:6-11 there has been only ONE Gospel in all of time!

Even in the NT "sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

And in Heb 8:6-10 that same Jeremiah 31:31-33 LAW of God - the moral law that defines sin - is "Written on the mind and heart" under the NEW Covenant made in Heb 8 with the "House of ISRAEL"

Paul shows a change in our relationship to the LAW that condemns all mankind under sin - taking place when we are converted... only when we are converted... which is when that law is written on the heart.

Notice "the details"

Gal 3
21 Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law. 22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

"Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 - even in the NT

Rom 8
He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

Rom 6
What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? ... 6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for he who has died is freed from sin. ...
.12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, 13 and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! 16 Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?

in Christ,

Bob

 

[bbbbbbb]

In Gal 1:6-9 Paul says there has always-and-ever been only ONE Gospel.

In Gal 3:7 that ONE Gospel - was "preached to Abraham".

In John 8 - "Abraham SAW My day and was glad"

In Gen 26:5 Abraham KEPT God's Commandments, Laws, Statutes.

1. In Gal 3 as in Romans 3 Paul makes the case that the Law applies to ALL mankind regardless of Jew or Gentile and that by that Law ALL are condemned as sinners - ALL need a savior.

2. As Paul points out in Gal 3 the Law of God does not "Save" it is not a "kind of savior" that used to work in the OT but now doesn't work so well. It never functioned as "savior".

3. Paul points out in Romans 7 and in Romans 10 that a person is born-again "Saved" at the moment that "faith comes". RND makes a good point about Heb 11 providing a great example of the giants of the faith - for whom "Faith had come" and they were "found pleasing to God" as a result of that Gospel transaction in their lives.

This is the same gospel event Paul is identifying in Gal 3 for all mankind. All mankind is lost - kept under bondage to sin and under condemnation of the law UNTIL we come to Christ and accept salvation. This was true in OT AND in NT. No change.

As Paul argues in Gal 3:7 the Gospel "was preached to Abraham".

As Paul argues in Heb 4:1 "the Gospel was preached to US just as it was to them".

As Paul argues in Gal 1:6-11 there has been only ONE Gospel in all of time!

Even in the NT "sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

And in Heb 8:6-10 that same Jeremiah 31:31-33 LAW of God - the moral law that defines sin - is "Written on the mind and heart" under the NEW Covenant made in Heb 8 with the "House of ISRAEL"

Paul shows a change in our relationship to the LAW that condemns all mankind under sin - taking place when we are converted... only when we are converted... which is when that law is written on the heart.

Notice "the details"

Gal 3
21 Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law. 22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

in Christ,

Bob

Is this the same gospel in Revelation 14:6, 7?

6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, having an eternal gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people; 7 and he said with a loud voice, “Fear God, and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come; worship Him who made the heaven and the earth and sea and springs of waters.”

 

[Cribstyl]

In Gal 1:6-9 Paul says there has always-and-ever been only ONE Gospel.

In Gal 3:7 that ONE Gospel - was "preached to Abraham".

Heb 4:1 "the Gospel was preached to US just as it was to them".

In John 8 - "Abraham SAW My day and was glad"

In Gen 26:5 Abraham KEPT God's Commandments, Laws, Statutes.

1. In Gal 3 as in Romans 3 Paul makes the case that the Law applies to ALL mankind regardless of Jew or Gentile and that by that Law ALL are condemned as sinners - ALL need a savior.

2. As Paul points out in Gal 3 the Law of God does not "Save" it is not a "kind of savior" that used to work in the OT but now doesn't work so well. It never functioned as "savior".

3. Paul points out in Romans 7 and in Romans 10 that a person is born-again "Saved" at the moment that "faith comes". RND makes a good point about Heb 11 providing a great example of the giants of the faith - for whom "Faith had come" and they were "found pleasing to God" as a result of that Gospel transaction in their lives.

This is the same gospel event Paul is identifying in Gal 3 for all mankind. All mankind is lost - kept under bondage to sin and under condemnation of the law UNTIL we come to Christ and accept salvation. This was true in OT AND in NT. No change.

As Paul argues in Gal 3:7 the Gospel "was preached to Abraham".

As Paul argues in Heb 4:1 "the Gospel was preached to US just as it was to them".

As Paul argues in Gal 1:6-11 there has been only ONE Gospel in all of time!

Even in the NT "sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

And in Heb 8:6-10 that same Jeremiah 31:31-33 LAW of God - the moral law that defines sin - is "Written on the mind and heart" under the NEW Covenant made in Heb 8 with the "House of ISRAEL"

Paul shows a change in our relationship to the LAW that condemns all mankind under sin - taking place when we are converted... only when we are converted... which is when that law is written on the heart.

Notice "the details"

Gal 3
21 Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law. 22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

in Christ,

Bob

I trust that most Christians know from reading Galatians, knows that Paul is condemning those that are bewitching believers by telling the that they must get circumcised and keep the law.

#1 argument response: The one gospel' that Paul is talking about is spelled out as:
Gal 2:16 “knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

#2 argument response : The gospel preached to Abraham is all-contained is the saying "In thy seed, All the nations of the world shall be blessed."
Your application shows questionable eisegesis of the word of God.

#3 argument response: Heb 4:1 "the Gospel was preached to US just as it was to them". In Heb 4:2 'THEM' is referenced to the Jews who rejected and crucified Jesus and 'US' references those who believe. Your application shows questionable eisegesis of the word of God.

The rest of your OP has no truths or you wouldn't keep piling on strategic arguments that you cant prove.
Shameful.

 

[Soyeong]

2. As Paul points out in Gal 3 the Law of God does not "Save" it is not a "kind of savior" that used to work in the OT but now doesn't work so well. It never functioned as "savior".

The law was given to Moses to make us aware of our sin, to show us what we are being saved from doing, to show us what we are being saved to do, and to point us to the one who can save us, but it has never had the role of saving us, not even in the OT. There is nothing that does not work in the NT that used to work in the OT.

And in Heb 8:6-10 that same Jeremiah 31:31-33 LAW of God - the moral law that defines sin - is "Written on the mind and heart" under the NEW Covenant made in Heb 8 with the "House of ISRAEL"

This is you inserting the word "moral" when it is not found in the text. If you want to say all of God's law are inherently moral laws, then that is fine, but the Bible does not say anything about laws that are not moral or about commands of God that you can transgress without sinning.

 

[BobRyan]

This is you inserting the word "moral" when it is not found in the text.

The word "moral" is shorthand for "Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

And 1 John 3:4 is shorthand for Rom 3:19-21
19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

If you want to say all of God's law are inherently moral laws, then that is fine

Not all the law results in sin charged to mankind. For example Hebrews 10 says laws about animal sacrifices and offerings have ended.

 

[BobRyan]

Is this the same gospel in Revelation 14:6, 7?

6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, having an eternal Gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people; 7 and he said with a loud voice, “Fear God, and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come; worship Him who made the heaven and the earth and sea and springs of waters.”

Only ONE Gospel according to Gal 1:6-9 so that is the same one you find in Rev 14:6-7.
It is the same one you find in Matt 24 "THIS Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world"
IT is the same one you find in Romans 2:13-16 "when God shall judge ALL mankind - according to my Gospel"

 

[Soyeong]

The word "moral" is shorthand for "Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

And 1 John 3:4 is shorthand for Rom 3:19-21
19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.



Not all the law results in sin charged to mankind. For example Hebrews 10 says laws about animal sacrifices and offerings have ended.

The law being spoken of in 1 John 3:4 is the law of Moses, 100% of which are moral laws, so I agree that they moral laws, but disagree with your implication that there are non-moral laws. Morality is concerning what we ought to do and we always ought to obey God, so all of His laws are inherently moral laws. The law was given to point out our sins, it gives us knowledge of sin, without it we would not know what sin was (Romans 7:7), and sin is disobedience to God, so transgressing any of His laws is sinful and immoral. According to Deuteronomy 13:4-6, anyone who says not to obey any of God's laws is a false prophet, so if you think that the author of Hebrews said not to obey God's sacrificial laws, then you should consider him to be false prophet that was not speaking for God and we should disregard what he said. However, the author of Hebrews said no such thing. The only reason sacrifices have stopped is because there is no temple in which to perform them, but Ezekiel 44-46 speaks about a time when a the third temple will be built and sacrifices will resume.

 

[BobRyan]

I trust that most Christians know from reading Galatians, knows that Paul is condemning those that are bewitching believers by telling the that they must get circumcised and keep the law.

#1 argument response: The one gospel' that Paul is talking about is spelled out as:
Gal 2:16 “knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

#2 argument response : The gospel preached to Abraham is all-contained is the saying "In thy seed, All the nations of the world shall be blessed."
Your application shows questionable eisegesis of the word of God.

Just not in real life.

In real life - in John 8 Christ said that "Abraham SAW My day and was glad"
In real life - 1Peter 1 tells us that the OT prophets saw the "Sufferings of Christ AND the glories to follow".

In real life - Paul said "what matters is KEEPING the COMMANDMENTS of God" 1 Cor 17:19
And that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a PROMISE" Eph 6:2 in that still binding set of TEN Commandments.

"Bible details matter"

#3 argument response: Heb 4:1 "the Gospel was preached to US just as it was to them". In Heb 4:2 'THEM' is referenced to the Jews who rejected and crucified Jesus

Just not in real life.

In Real life Heb 3 and 4 speaks about Israel in the OT - in the wilderness and in Canaan.

"Bible details matter".




and 'US' references those who believe.

 

[BobRyan]

The law being spoken of in 1 John 3:4 is the law of Moses, 100% of which are moral laws, .

In 1 John 3:4 and in Romans 3 and in Romans 7 they "define what sin is" -for BOTH Jew and gentile

 

[Cribstyl]

Just not in real life.

In real life - in John 8 Christ said that "Abraham SAW My day and was glad"
In real life - 1Peter 1 tells us that the OT prophets saw the "Sufferings of Christ AND the glories to follow".

In real life - Paul said "what matters is KEEPING the COMMANDMENTS of God" 1 Cor 17:19
And that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a PROMISE" Eph 6:2 in that still binding set of TEN Commandments.

"Bible details matter"

Yes, Paul is talking about the one and only gospel. Your definition of the one and only gospel includes the law (the ten commandments). Your narrative seem contradictory to what Paul is teaching.
Both Gal, 2....Gal 2:16 “knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.


...and Gal 3 makes it clear that the gospel is about Jesus Christ and NOT the law.
Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified.

Gal 3:2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?
Gal 3:3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by[fn] the flesh?

 

[Cribstyl]

BobRyan's and SDA explanation of the gospel is similar to their explanation of the Old Covenant.

The bible says that the (old)covenant is the 10 commandments, but they argue against the bible to no end.
The bible says that the New covenant will not be like the covenant made with the fathers, but they argue against the bible to no end.

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan's and SDA explanation of the gospel is similar to their explanation of the Old Covenant.

And by "SDA" are you talking about D.L. Moody ??

============================================
D.L. Moody writes in favor of God's TEN Commandments as do many other Bible scholars and pastors - even pro-sunday ones.


http://www.fbinstitute.com/moody/The_TenCommandments_Text.html

BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY
The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17
.
The Fourth Commandment


Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place.
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27)
It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes;

 

[BobRyan]

or by "SDA" do you mean to talk about the Teaching Christ in Mark 7??

Christ argues this point about the "WORD of GOD" the "Commandments of God" .

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the Commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Christ said "it is a big deal" in Mark 7


1. Question 1 -- In your view - is Christ in Error in Mark 7??

2. Question 2: Eph 6:2 "What unit of LAW" is being upheld by Paul in Eph 5:2 where the 5th commandment "is the FIRST commandment with a PROMISE"?... easy answer.

3. Question 3: Heb 8:6-10 NEW COVENANT "I will write My LAW on their heart and mind" Jer 31:31-33 ---> what LAW?
what Law is Jer 31:31-33 referencing for Jeremiah and his readers??

 

[BobRyan]

The bible says that the New covenant will not be like the covenant made with the fathers, but they argue against the bible to no end.

Jer 31:31-33 says it is the SAME LAW of God known to Jeremiah and his readers that is 'written on the heart and mind' -- as even C.H. Spurgeon admits.

Jeremia and Spurgeon "also SDA"?? in your posting?

 

[BobRyan]

I trust that most Christians know from reading Galatians, knows that Paul is condemning those that are bewitching believers by telling the that they must get circumcised and keep the law.

#1 argument response: The one gospel' that Paul is talking about is spelled out as:
Gal 2:16 “knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

#2 argument response : The gospel preached to Abraham is all-contained is the saying "In thy seed, All the nations of the world shall be blessed."
Your application shows questionable eisegesis of the word of God.

Just not in real life.

In real life - in John 8 Christ said that "Abraham SAW My day and was glad"
In real life - 1Peter 1 tells us that the OT prophets saw the "Sufferings of Christ AND the glories to follow".

In real life - Paul said "what matters is KEEPING the COMMANDMENTS of God" 1 Cor 17:19
And that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a PROMISE" Eph 6:2 in that still binding set of TEN Commandments.

"Bible details matter"

#3 argument response: Heb 4:1 "the Gospel was preached to US just as it was to them". In Heb 4:2 'THEM' is referenced to the Jews who rejected and crucified Jesus

Just not in real life.

In Real life Heb 3 and 4 speaks about Israel in the OT - in the wilderness and in Canaan.

"Bible details matter".




and 'US' references those who believe.

In real life, you've recognized that Paul is talking about the one gospel

True -- only one gospel.

And in Gal 3:8 Paul says it was preached to Abraham.

The point remains.

That Gospel is the NEW Covenant where the "LAW" known to Jeremiah and his readers is "written on the heart and mind".

So says Paul in Hebrews 8:6-10 where we are also told that it is CHRIST that gave the TEN Commandments.

Question 2: Eph 6:2 "What unit of LAW" is being upheld by Paul in Eph 5:2 where the 5th commandment "is the FIRST commandment with a PROMISE"?... easy answer.


The NEW Covenant -- Gospel -- is for those who have come to faith in Christ rather than being at war against His Law.

Gal 3
21 Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law. 22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Just not in real life.

In real life - in John 8 Christ said that "Abraham SAW My day and was glad"
In real life - 1Peter 1 tells us that the OT prophets saw the "Sufferings of Christ AND the glories to follow".

In real life - Paul said "what matters is KEEPING the COMMANDMENTS of God" 1 Cor 17:19
And that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a PROMISE" Eph 6:2 in that still binding set of TEN Commandments.

"Bible details matter"

Just not in real life.

In Real life Heb 3 and 4 speaks about Israel in the OT - in the wilderness and in Canaan.

"Bible details matter".

and 'US' references those who believe.

True -- only one gospel.

And in Gal 3:8 Paul says it was preached to Abraham.

The point remains.

That Gospel is the NEW Covenant where the "LAW" known to Jeremiah and his readers is "written on the heart and mind".

So says Paul in Hebrews 8:6-10 where we are also told that it is CHRIST that gave the TEN Commandments.

Question 2: Eph 6:2 "What unit of LAW" is being upheld by Paul in Eph 5:2 where the 5th commandment "is the FIRST commandment with a PROMISE"?... easy answer.

The NEW Covenant -- Gospel -- is for those who have come to faith in Christ rather than being at war against His Law.

Apparently "Bible details" matter, but "Bible context" does not matter in the least to you. Once again you have gone quote mining for us to support your pragmatic assertions.

 

[Cribstyl]

And by "SDA" are you talking about D.L. Moody ??

============================================
D.L. Moody writes in favor of God's TEN Commandments as do many other Bible scholars and pastors - even pro-sunday ones.


http://www.fbinstitute.com/moody/The_TenCommandments_Text.html

BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY
The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17
.
The Fourth Commandment


Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place.
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27)
It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes;

Another de-javu moment. You initiated an argument about the one and only gospel and your understanding of what is the gospel, is not biblical truth at all.

While you're trying to ram the law down our throats, here is what DL Moody explains about the Gospel.....

"The Gospel preached by the apostles rested upon four pillars: the atoning death of Christ, His burial and resurrection, His ascension, His coming again. These four doctrines were preached by all the apostles, and by them the Gospel must stand or fall. In the opening verses of I Corinthians 15, we get a clear statement from Paul that the doctrine of the resurrection is a part of the Gospel. He defines the Gospel as meaning that Christ died for our sins, but not that only -- He was buried and rose again the third day. Then he summons witnesses to prove the resurrection: "He was seen of Cephas [Simon Peter] then of the twelve: After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. After that, he was seen of James."

 

[Cribstyl]

In Gal 1:6-9 Paul says there has always-and-ever been only ONE Gospel.

In Gal 3:7 that ONE Gospel - was "preached to Abraham".

In John 8 - "Abraham SAW My day and was glad"

In Gen 26:5 Abraham KEPT God's Commandments, Laws, Statutes.

1. In Gal 3 as in Romans 3 Paul makes the case that the Law applies to ALL mankind regardless of Jew or Gentile and that by that Law ALL are condemned as sinners - ALL need a savior.

2. As Paul points out in Gal 3 the Law of God does not "Save" it is not a "kind of savior" that used to work in the OT but now doesn't work so well. It never functioned as "savior".

3. Paul points out in Romans 7 and in Romans 10 that a person is born-again "Saved" at the moment that "faith comes". RND makes a good point about Heb 11 providing a great example of the giants of the faith - for whom "Faith had come" and they were "found pleasing to God" as a result of that Gospel transaction in their lives.

This is the same gospel event Paul is identifying in Gal 3 for all mankind. All mankind is lost - kept under bondage to sin and under condemnation of the law UNTIL we come to Christ and accept salvation. This was true in OT AND in NT. No change.

As Paul argues in Gal 3:7 the Gospel "was preached to Abraham".

As Paul argues in Heb 4:1 "the Gospel was preached to US just as it was to them".

As Paul argues in Gal 1:6-11 there has been only ONE Gospel in all of time!

Even in the NT "sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

And in Heb 8:6-10 that same Jeremiah 31:31-33 LAW of God - the moral law that defines sin - is "Written on the mind and heart" under the NEW Covenant made in Heb 8 with the "House of ISRAEL"

Paul shows a change in our relationship to the LAW that condemns all mankind under sin - taking place when we are converted... only when we are converted... which is when that law is written on the heart.

Notice "the details"

Gal 3
21 Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law. 22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

"Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 - even in the NT

Rom 8
He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

Rom 6
What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? ... 6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for he who has died is freed from sin. ...
.12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, 13 and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! 16 Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?

in Christ,

Bob

Contrary to your comments and redirection...Galatians 2,3,4,5 teaches that we're not under the law.

 

[BobRyan]

Even in the NT "sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

And in Heb 8:6-10 that same Jeremiah 31:31-33 LAW of God - the moral law that defines sin - is "Written on the mind and heart" under the NEW Covenant made in Heb 8 with the "House of ISRAEL"

Paul shows a change in our relationship to the LAW that condemns all mankind under sin - taking place when we are converted... only when we are converted... which is when that law is written on the heart.

Notice "the details"

Gal 3
21 Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law. 22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

"Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 - even in the NT

Rom 8
He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

Rom 6
What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? ... 6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for he who has died is freed from sin. ...
.12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, 13 and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! 16 Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?

Contrary to your comments and redirection...Galatians 2,3,4,5 teaches that we're not under the law.

Sadly for that sort of 'hand waiving' -- the Bible can't be dismissed as "comments and redirection"

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan's and SDA explanation of the gospel is similar to their explanation of the Old Covenant.

And by "SDA" are you talking about D.L. Moody ??

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D.L. Moody writes in favor of God's TEN Commandments as do many other Bible scholars and pastors - even pro-sunday ones.


http://www.fbinstitute.com/moody/The_TenCommandments_Text.html

BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY
The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17
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The Fourth Commandment


Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place.
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27)
It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes;

Another de-javu moment.

Indeed -- you cirlce-back to spinning the idea that this is all "SDA" when it comes to affirmation of the TEN commandments - only to be reminded of the irrefutable fact that folks like D.L. Moody and C.H. Spurgeon are not all "SDA".

de-javu ...

You initiated a comment about this being "SDA" and then had it handed back to you as a statement from Moody that you knew full well is there to debunk the way you were spinning it.

And this has been the irrefutable point at which your argument ceases - only to wait and "circle-back" to the "just SDA" idea later on.