The Pinnacle of Evolution

[Herman Hedning]

For a belief in not having to pay taxes? Nah. Didn't Jesus say, "render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's ..."?

 

[joshua 1 9]

For a belief in not having to pay taxes?

That is pretty much the extent of it.

 

[Hoghead1]

I am not sure how big or small our differences are but as far as I know everyone does believe. Even Kent Hovind who went to jail for 10 years for his beliefs, believes in Evolution. In fact Evolution is an essential part of his Ark / repopulate the earth theory. If we all believed the same thing then we would be minions. Science encourages independent thought. In Bible school we are taught that you can not teach truth, you can only help people to discover truth for themselves.

Oh, no. Hovind definitely did not believe in evolution.

 

[Hoghead1]

Hovind doesn't believe in descent with modification.

No, and he doesn't believe in intellectual honesty, and so presents a mill-degree doctorate and insist on being called doctor. And he also doesn't believe in the law and so was charged with 58 felonies and got 10 years in jail.

 

[Hoghead1]

what's the difference?

I would be identified as one into theistic evolution. I believe that evolution would be impossible without God. I also affirm that creation is God's own self-evolution from unconsciousness into consciousness and self-actualization.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Hovind doesn't believe in descent with modification.

No duh, he's really big into creationism. If a person thinks that Kent Hovind supports evolution, then what on Earth do they think a creationist is? joshua, you're confusing pretty much everyone here with your nonsense.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I don't think the OP knows what evolution is, nor does he know what creationism is.

 

[Hoghead1]

We all pick and choose. All I am saying is that he was willing to spend 10 years in jail for his beliefs. I am not saying that I agree with him. Are you willing to go to jail for 10 years for what you believe? Is this a carry over from the Hovind thread?

He most emphatically did not go to jail for his religious beliefs.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Atheistic evolutionism says no God was required to evolve mankind.

Theistic evolution says God used evolution to create man and the bible is incorrect in its description.

The actual theory is secular, and says nothing about whether or not a god was necessary or involved.

 

[PsychoSarah]

We all pick and choose. All I am saying is that he was willing to spend 10 years in jail for his beliefs. I am not saying that I agree with him. Are you willing to go to jail for 10 years for what you believe? Is this a carry over from the Hovind thread?

He spent 10 years in jail for not only tax evasion, but in addition, expressing no remorse for his crime. Nobody likes to pay taxes, but they are necessary and not optional under the law. Tax evasion is basically like robbing the government vault.

 

[Hoghead1]

Thanks for the answer. Maybe it's just me but I can't make sense of this post, it seems to wander around various topics without actually saying what you think.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that you do accept some of the processes of the TOE but believe it was directed by God? i.e Mutations are not random and the course of evolution leading to mankind was all planned from the start.

Well, I don't agree that the whole course of evolution was planned out, from the start. I don't see why God would bother with something like that. God well knows that a lot can happen between now and tomorrow. God knows all creatures have freedom and therefore can choose otherwise than where God lures them. It would be ridiculous f or God to sit back and say 13.5 billion years ago, "Well, I'm definitely having a Shakespeare come along and write the following plays..." God wouldn't do that because there are simply too many "if's" in such a prediction.

 

[Hoghead1]

He spent 10 years in jail for not only tax evasion, but in addition, expressing no remorse for his crime. Nobody likes to pay taxes, but they are necessary and not optional under the law. Tax evasion is basically like robbing the government vault.

Jesus himself stood up for the tax collector and encouraged his disciples to pay up. Another interesting think about Hovind is his mill degree and phony dissertation. For a real hoot, check out excepts available online.

 

[bhsmte]

According to singularityhub Humans are not the Pinnacle of Evolution they are only a rung on the ladder. According to Theistic Evolution JESUS is the Pinnacle of Evolution. Also atheist evolution pretty much centers on the earth and actually having something to evolve. Theistic Evolution goes back to the Big Bang or the beginning of the Universe. They go so far as to say all of the universe revolves around mankind. That this was God's plan and purpose for all of creation and for that reason Jesus is the Pinnacle of Evolution. Jesus is the point where the Creator became a part of Creation. As Christians we believe that Jesus lived His life as an example for us to follow. Many people get confused and try to pattern their lives after the followers of Jesus. As a carpenter you do not use a copy of a copy for a pattern. You always have a master pattern or template and all of the copies are made directly from the master. This is pretty much the biggest mistake that the atheistic evolutionists make is they try to make a copy from a copy from a copy and that simply does not work. You have to have a master pattern to work with and that is Jesus. He sets the example for us to follow. That is why He is the Pinnacle of Evolution for Creator and Creation to become one.

I would speculate that some may argue there is no Pinnacle only co-dependency or co-evolution where you have symbiotic relationships. So they may argue against a pinnacle.

"Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple", Matt 4:5

"Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple". Matt 4:5

http://singularityhub.com/2014/07/2...on-and-consciousness-were-only-the-beginning/

Where in the world, do you come up with this stuff?

 

[bhsmte]

Everyone believes in evolution.

There are some tiny parts/branches regarding origins that are
not universally accepted becuase all such things are faith based.

Everyone?

 

[bhsmte]

We all pick and choose. All I am saying is that he was willing to spend 10 years in jail for his beliefs. I am not saying that I agree with him. Are you willing to go to jail for 10 years for what you believe? Is this a carry over from the Hovind thread?

What do his beliefs have to do with tax evasion?

 

[Hoghead1]

Where in the world, do you come up with this stuff?

In the writings of the major Jesuit philosopher Teilhard de Chardin, Christ is a step in the evolutionary process, pointing to the coming Kingdom of God, which is the goal of teh evolutionary process.

 

[bhsmte]

That is pretty much the extent of it.

Just like Berretta used to say; don't do the crime, if you can't do the time.

 

[bhsmte]

I don't think the OP knows what evolution is, nor does he know what creationism is.

That became obvious, a long long time ago.

 

[lesliedellow]

According to singularityhub Humans are not the Pinnacle of Evolution they are only a rung on the ladder.

Evolution has no concept of progress, or of there being a pinnacle.

According to Theistic Evolution JESUS is the Pinnacle of Evolution.

Evolution, theistic or otherwise, has nothing to say about the nature of Jesus. That is theology.

Theistic Evolution goes back to the Big Bang or the beginning of the Universe.

Again, evolution, theistic or otherwise, is about the evolution of life on Earth. It has nothing to do with the Big Bang.

They go so far as to say all of the universe revolves around mankind.

Theistic evolutionists say no such thing. As a group they have very diverse theological views. Some would have a theology so man centred that it dethroned God, others wouldn't.

That this was God's plan and purpose for all of creation and for that reason Jesus is the Pinnacle of Evolution.

Why do you keep dragging evolution into areas where it has no relevance? TE's, like all other Christians, get their Christology from the Bible and the various creeds of the Church.

 

[pat34lee]

Everyone believes in evolution.

There are some tiny parts/branches regarding origins that are
not universally accepted becuase all such things are faith based.

The parts that are unbelieveable are all those beyond
adaptation within a species.