Origin of God's Morality.

[Davian]

God isn't subject to the rules and laws of the creation he made.

How convenient. So God works like a perpetual motion machine? I thought those were impossible. Do you mind if I remain skeptical?

Same is true for anything created by anyone.

I dunno. Real judges making real laws in my country are subject to the laws they create. All of the scientists I have ever heard of making scientific laws were not able to break them.

Ask a painter like Dali if he's subject to the rules of the paintings he created.

Paintings, like writings, need not comport with reality.

You know, if something is unfalsifiable, that tends to mean that it's true. God is an absolute, he is the definition of unfalsifiable.

This is far funnier than when you said the planets are not flat, but disc shaped.

In scientific parlance, "unfalsifiable" is the equivalent of "no significance".

What you just told me: "God is an absolute, he is the definition of no significance."

Okay.

Perhaps you should read up on the concept.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

 

[Davian]

Well that's very good. Because nothing in the universe is 100%.

Really? and who hands out these grades?

Only God.

Of course. He gets an A+.

If he existed.

But I know designed things when I see them.

And how do you know you are not in reality simply experiencing apophenia?

Brain Scan Apophenia

• Davian
• Sep 17, 2013

Because I know everything is designed.

And how do you know this?

Tell you what-you make up the testable criteria.

No, it would be the task for the one making the claims of design. Do you own homework.

 

[Davian]

The molecules that are attracted to each other forming droplets which further form larger collections of water sound designed to me, not just something that happens by chance.....

Does water flow downhill, to form streams and rivers, by chance?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

If you keep up with the conversation, you'll see that it's your turn.

My turn to do what exactly? You've presented nothing to examine, just bare assertions lacking in evidence.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Are you trying to say that you cannot look at something and determine designed or not designed?

No, that's what you are saying, if you truly believe that "everything is designed."

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Well, I'm not the one who challenged whether everything is designed, because I know that everything is designed.

And yet you can't show us that you know anything that you claim to know.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Name something that isn't designed?

This is not a sincere request, given that you've conflated "systematic" with "designed." So no matter what we point to you will say that it is designed simply because it appears designed to you, and wholly apart from any consideration of whether it really is designed or not. In other words, you don't care whether you are justified in saying that some system exhibits design because, to you, "system" means "design."

 

[civilwarbuff]

Does water flow downhill, to form streams and rivers, by chance?

Not by chance, by design.....it's called gravity....

 

[civilwarbuff]

Are you trying to say that you cannot look at something and determine designed or not designed?

That is exactly what he is saying.....though he won't admit it.....

 

[Archaeopteryx]

That is exactly what he is saying.....though he won't admit it.....

And to think you questioned others' reading comprehension earlier...

If Root believes that "everything is designed," then it follows that Root is saying that one cannot distinguish design from non-design because, well, everything is designed!

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Not by chance, by design.....it's called gravity....

Gravity is designed? Are the other fundamental forces designed also? Four designers?

 

[civilwarbuff]

given that you've conflated "systematic" with "designed."

No, you have decided that systematic and designed are not related or linked. He is asking you to give an example to support your claim.....so am I.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

No, you have decided that systematic and designed are not related or linked. He is asking you to give an example to support your claim.....so am I.

Any example I give will automatically elicit the same response: "But that's got structure, so it must be designed!"

 

[civilwarbuff]

Are the other fundamental forces designed also?

Yes

Four designers?

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about....and neither do I. Where did anyone say anything about "four designers"? This seems like something you have just made up in you own mind......
Now, before you simply ask another question, explain what you mean by "four designers".

 

[civilwarbuff]

Any example I give will automatically elicit the same response: "But that's got structure, so it must be designed!"

And then you have the opportunity to produce evidence to the contrary.....that how discussions work.....

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Yes

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about....and neither do I. Where did anyone say anything about "four designers"? This seems like something you have just made up in you own mind......
Now, before you simply ask another question, explain what you mean by "four designers".

Well, someone designed gravity, according to you. But who is to say that the same designer is responsible for designing electromagnetism, the strong nuclear force, and the weak nuclear force? Perhaps there is a whole committee of designers, each responsible for some aspect of the overall design. Heck, maybe each atom was individually crafted by its own unique designer.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

And then you have the opportunity to produce evidence to the contrary.....that how discussions work.....

Not when the other party is insincere in their line of questioning, like you and Root.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Perhaps there is a whole committee of designers, each responsible for some aspect of the overall design. Heck, maybe each atom was individually crafted by its own unique designer.

And your evidence for that is what? Otherwise you are just making it up in your own mind......

 

[Archaeopteryx]

And your evidence for that is what? Otherwise you are just making it up in your own mind......

Hey, if you can make up a designer, I can make up designers, plural. Where's the evidence? I'll take a page out of Root's book: it's everywhere!

 

[civilwarbuff]

Not when the other party is insincere in their line of questioning, like you and Root.

We are both willing to listen to you but you got to offer us some evidence other than what you have made up in your own mind. Your opinion may convince you but it won't convince most others.....you got to have something of substance...