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Origin of God's Morality.

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I have pointed out how a deviation of a trillionth of a degree one way or the other at the time of the Big Bang would have prohibited the formation of carbon, and life as we know it.
I find this to be a bizarre argument. Why would a biblical-type "god", creating our world miracle-by-miracle, have any need for "fine-tuning"? It could have us living on the surface of the Sun, could it not? If we existed in the absence of fine tuning, then you would have your evidence that naturalism was an inaccurate description of reality. Parsimony, and all that.
I don't know how you delude yourself to thinking that was random,
I do not think it was random.
when we know that there is very little that's random in the universe.
Such as?
 
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Yes, you keep repeating variations of that same claim, but you stop short of actually showing how you reasoned to that conclusion.
If you keep up with the conversation, you'll see that it's your turn.
 
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By what testable criteria do you determine "design"?
Full Definition of design
  1. transitive verb
  2. 1: to create, fashion, execute, or construct according to plan : devise, contrive

  3. 2a : to conceive and plan out in the mind <he designed the perfect crime>b : to have as a purpose : intend <she designed to excel in her studies>c : to devise for a specific function or end <a book designed primarily as a college textbook>

  4. 3archaic : to indicate with a distinctive mark, sign, or name

  5. 4a : to make a drawing, pattern, or sketch ofb : to draw the plans for <design a building>

  6. intransitive verb
  7. 1: to conceive or execute a plan

  8. 2: to draw, lay out, or prepare a design
 
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Full Definition of design
  1. transitive verb
  2. 1: to create, fashion, execute, or construct according to plan : devise, contrive

  3. 2a : to conceive and plan out in the mind <he designed the perfect crime>b : to have as a purpose : intend <she designed to excel in her studies>c : to devise for a specific function or end <a book designed primarily as a college textbook>

  4. 3archaic : to indicate with a distinctive mark, sign, or name

  5. 4a : to make a drawing, pattern, or sketch ofb : to draw the plans for <design a building>

  6. intransitive verb
  7. 1: to conceive or execute a plan

  8. 2: to draw, lay out, or prepare a design
Sure. By what testable criteria do you determine "design"?
 
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Sure. By what testable criteria do you determine "design"?
Are you trying to say that you cannot look at something and determine designed or not designed?
 
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That's very true. The only way for us to understand it is to study it and find out how they work based on predictable events. Like the laws of thermodynamics (which also are evidence of God, by the way).
When your claim is unfalsifiable, virtually anything can be claimed as evidence.

Is your "God" subject to the laws of thermodynamics? What about "souls"? "Heaven"? "Hell"?
 
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When your claim is unfalsifiable, virtually anything can be claimed as evidence.

Is your "God" subject to the laws of thermodynamics? What about "souls"? "Heaven"? "Hell"?
God isn't subject to the rules and laws of the creation he made. Same is true for anything created by anyone.Ask a painter like Dali if he's subject to the rules of the paintings he created.

You know, if something is unfalsifiable, that tends to mean that it's true. God is an absolute, he is the definition of unfalsifiable.
 
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God isn't subject to the rules and laws of the creation he made. Same is true for anything created by anyone.Ask a painter like Dali if he's subject to the rules of the paintings he created.

You know, if something is unfalsifiable, that tends to mean that it's true. God is an absolute, he is the definition of unfalsifiable.

More LOL
 
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Not with 100% reliability, no. Hence my question.

By what testable criteria do you determine "design"?
Well that's very good. Because nothing in the universe is 100%. Only God. But I know designed things when I see them. Because I know everything is designed. Tell you what-you make up the testable criteria.
 
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Are you saying you can't answer his simple question?
Well, I'm not the one who challenged whether everything is designed, because I know that everything is designed.
 
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