Origin of God's Morality.

[Root of Jesse]

You are, either knowingly or unknowingly, conflating structure and complexity with design. Structure doesn't entail design.

Structure and complexity result from design.

 

[Root of Jesse]

In the case of orbits, it's celestial mechanics, which is governed by principles that we can understand and apply. It's systematic.

I agree, it's systematic, but someone designed the system. Someone made the laws of physics. They're that way for a reason. We believe the reason is for humanity to exist.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Natural processes?

Which are designed to happen the way they happen.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Structure and complexity result from design.

They can result from design, but they need not result from design.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Which are designed to happen the way they happen.

You're going to have to support this claim, as it's not evident.

 

[Root of Jesse]

You do understand that words have multiple meanings, right?

Yes, they do. But when you apply it to this topic, there's really only One meaning.

 

[Root of Jesse]

They can result from design, but they need not result from design.

You're going to have to prove this...

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I agree, it's systematic, but someone designed the system. Someone made the laws of physics. They're that way for a reason. We believe the reason is for humanity to exist.

I know you believe that. If your claim is that "someone designed the system," then you need to present a case for that.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

You're going to have to prove this...

You want me to prove that not all systems are designed? It's worthwhile pausing for a moment to consider how you're using the word "system". Are you using it as a synonym for "design"?

 

[Root of Jesse]

You're going to have to support this claim, as it's not evident.

I have pointed out how a deviation of a trillionth of a degree one way or the other at the time of the Big Bang would have prohibited the formation of carbon, and life as we know it. I don't know how you delude yourself to thinking that was random, when we know that there is very little that's random in the universe.

 

[Root of Jesse]

You want me to prove that not all systems are designed? It's worthwhile pausing for a moment to consider how you're using the word "system". Are you using it as a synonym for "design"?

You may choose the system and point out how it's not systemic.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I have pointed out how a deviation of a trillionth of a degree one way or the other at the time of the Big Bang would have prohibited the formation of carbon, and life as we know it. I don't know how you delude yourself to thinking that was random, when we know that there is very little that's random in the universe.

How many times do I have to ask you to stop using strawman arguments? Where did I say that was random? Please point to the post.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

You may choose the system and point out how it's not systemic.

So you are using "system" as a synonym for "design," even though I pointed out that not all systems are designed.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Cool.

Do you have evidence that points directly to a god, as you claim?

If so, please present it.

Are your eyes open? Good! There's the evidence!

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Are your eyes open? Good! There's the evidence!

Of what?

 

[Root of Jesse]

So you are using "system" as a synonym for "design," even though I pointed out that not all systems are designed.

You haven't proven that all systems are not designed. Name one!

 

[Root of Jesse]

Of what?

Design.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Design.

How is opening one's eyes evidence of design?

 

[Root of Jesse]

How many times do I have to ask you to stop using strawman arguments? Where did I say that was random? Please point to the post.

If it's not random, it's a system.

 

[Root of Jesse]

How is opening one's eyes evidence of design?

Because everything is designed.