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How about your own words, not a video?

As far as the universe coming into existence:
Singularity

See also: Gravitational singularity and Planck epoch

Extrapolation of the expansion of the universe backwards in time using general relativity yields an infinite densityand temperature at a finite time in the past.[18] This singularity signals the breakdown of general relativity and thus, all the laws of physics. How closely this can be extrapolated toward the singularity is debated—certainly no closer than the end of the Planck epoch. This singularity is sometimes called "the Big Bang",[19] but the term can also refer to the early hot, dense phase itself,[20][notes 1] which can be considered the "birth" of our universe. Based on measurements of the expansion using Type Ia supernovae and measurements of temperature fluctuations in the cosmic microwave background, the universe has an estimated age of 13.799 ± 0.021 billion years.[21] The agreement of these three independent measurements strongly supports the ΛCDM model that describes in detail the contents of the universe.
 
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How about your own words, not a video?

As far as the universe coming into existence:
Singularity

See also: Gravitational singularity and Planck epoch

Extrapolation of the expansion of the universe backwards in time using general relativity yields an infinite densityand temperature at a finite time in the past.[18] This singularity signals the breakdown of general relativity and thus, all the laws of physics. How closely this can be extrapolated toward the singularity is debated—certainly no closer than the end of the Planck epoch. This singularity is sometimes called "the Big Bang",[19] but the term can also refer to the early hot, dense phase itself,[20][notes 1] which can be considered the "birth" of our universe. Based on measurements of the expansion using Type Ia supernovae and measurements of temperature fluctuations in the cosmic microwave background, the universe has an estimated age of 13.799 ± 0.021 billion years.[21] The agreement of these three independent measurements strongly supports the ΛCDM model that describes in detail the contents of the universe.
To quote the presenter in that PBS Space Time series (1, 2):
The Big Bang describes a series of events that happened to the universe following its existence in an extremely hot and dense state. We have a ton of evidence that the universe was once in such a state. Perhaps our understanding of this state will eventually lead to a theory of the origin of the universe, but the Big Bang theory as it stands does not claim to explain such an origin.
 
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The Big Bang is not a "theory of the creation of the universe."
Simple search of Wiki:
The Big Bang theory, built upon the equations of classical general relativity, indicates a singularity at the origin of cosmic time.
The Big Bang theory is the prevailing cosmological model for the universe from the earliest known periods through its subsequent large-scale evolution.[1][2][3] The model accounts for the fact that the universe expanded from a very high density and high temperature state,[4][5] and offers a comprehensive explanation for a broad range of phenomena, including the abundance of light elements, the cosmic microwave background, large scale structure and Hubble's Law.[6] If the known laws of physics are extrapolated beyond where they have been verified, there is a singularity. Some estimates place this moment at approximately 13.8 billion years ago, which is thus considered the age of the universe.[7] After the initial expansion, the universe cooled sufficiently to allow the formation of subatomic particles, and later simple atoms. Giant clouds of these primordial elements later coalesced through gravity to form stars and galaxies.

Since Georges Lemaître first noted, in 1927, that an expanding universe might be traced back in time to an originating single point, scientists have built on his idea of cosmic expansion. While the scientific community was once divided between supporters of two different expanding universe theories, the Big Bang and the Steady State theory, accumulated empirical evidence provides strong support for the former.[8] In 1929, from analysis of galactic redshifts, Edwin Hubble concluded that galaxies are drifting apart; this is important observational evidence consistent with the hypothesis of an expanding universe. In 1965, the cosmic microwave background radiation was discovered, which was crucial evidence in favor of the Big Bang model, since that theory predicted the existence of background radiation throughout the universe before it was discovered. More recently, measurements of the redshifts of supernovae indicate that the expansion of the universe is accelerating, an observation attributed to dark energy's existence.[9] The known physical laws of nature can be used to calculate the characteristics of the universe in detail back in time to an initial state of extreme density and temperature.[10][11][12]
 
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To quote the presenter in that PBS Space Time series (1, 2):
Unfortunately he is wrong. While the Big Bang does explain the creation of the universe, beginning with that time immediately following the release of energy from the singularity, it does not explain the existence of the singularity itself.....that is what cosmologists are unable to explain....where did it come from not what happened afterward of which there is much empirical evidence.
 
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My posts on wellbeing, in answer to your question.
I asked you a question about that, I don't believe you answered. I'm trying to find common ground. I don't understand the term 'well-being'. I asked if you would say that our desire for wellbeing of others would be the same as conscience?
 
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Unfortunately he is wrong. While the Big Bang does explain the creation of the universe, beginning with that time immediately following the release of energy from the singularity, it does not explain the existence of the singularity itself.....that is what cosmologists are unable to explain....where did it come from not what happened afterward of which there is much empirical evidence.
I might add that one of the chief scientists of that theory is a Catholic priest.
 
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Simple search of Wiki:
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The Big Bang theory is the prevailing cosmological model for the universe from the earliest known periods through its subsequent large-scale evolution. ...
Okay. Not about origins then.
 
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I might add that one of the chief scientists of that theory is a Catholic priest.
Does that mean that you concur with him, in accepting the big bang cosmological model as an accurate description of reality, or that you don't?
 
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How about your own words, not a video?

As far as the universe coming into existence:
Singularity

See also: Gravitational singularity and Planck epoch

Extrapolation of the expansion of the universe backwards in time using general relativity yields an infinite densityand temperature at a finite time in the past.[18] This singularity signals the breakdown of general relativity and thus, all the laws of physics. How closely this can be extrapolated toward the singularity is debated—certainly no closer than the end of the Planck epoch. This singularity is sometimes called "the Big Bang",[19] but the term can also refer to the early hot, dense phase itself,[20][notes 1] which can be considered the "birth" of our universe. Based on measurements of the expansion using Type Ia supernovae and measurements of temperature fluctuations in the cosmic microwave background, the universe has an estimated age of 13.799 ± 0.021 billion years.[21] The agreement of these three independent measurements strongly supports the ΛCDM model that describes in detail the contents of the universe.
As we are not in the Physical and Life Sciences forum, I would ask: Is modern cosmology in some way in violation of God's morality? Or does your theology just require for it to be wildly inaccurate?
 
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As we are not in the Physical and Life Sciences forum, I would ask: Is modern cosmology in some way in violation of God's morality? Or does your theology just require for it to be wildly inaccurate?
If you want to go back op just say so....
 
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If you want to go back op just say so....
Already been there. It still puzzles me that arguments from morality are made for theologies that are morally bankrupt.

Back to the question: Does your theology require for modern cosmology to be wildly inaccurate?
 
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Unfortunately he is wrong. While the Big Bang does explain the creation of the universe, beginning with that time immediately following the release of energy from the singularity, it does not explain the existence of the singularity itself.....that is what cosmologists are unable to explain....where did it come from not what happened afterward of which there is much empirical evidence.

Can you demonstrate why he is wrong?
 
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