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When used as an excuse, yes.

Thank you, I am here all week.:)

I don't know that there needs to be a reason for the universe. How would I?
So you don't have a purpose. Nice to know ya.
Understandably.;)
I'd rather be purpose driven. Otherwise, you're just rotting flesh.
 
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And how many different variations of the sciences are there?
There is only one that I am aware of, with many different applications.
How many points, counter-points and counter-counter-points are there.....
As I would expect, in a methodology that encourages such, as a means of self correction and and increased accuracy.
yet you accept the general premise with little (no) argument.
I would say that I tentatively accept most of the testable, falsifiable hypothesis I have been presented with, based on the currently available evidence, and that is subject to change if new information becomes available. It's not like whether I accept it or not is going to affect the price of milk at the market.
Yet Christianity seems to raise the hackles of atheists (and you)
Not at all. It is only when religionists that have access to our government, education system, and my children, begin to present their untestable, unfalsifiable beliefs as fact do I get concerned. If it were not for all of the people killing each other over religion I would dismiss it all as harmless fiction.
and their only defense of that position
"I am not convinced" requires no defence.
is "God does not exist" or some variant of that thought.
Or, you have not demonstrated that your god is anything more than a character in a book.
Of course you care otherwise you would simply be wasting your time here attacking christianity
Actually, most of the time my comments are directed at faulty science, bad philosophy, and bankrupt theologies.
and I don't believe you think you are wasting your time.
Indeed. As I have virtually no religionists to discuss this with outside of family (the in laws), I have found my time here to be interesting, informative, and at times entertaining.:)
May I ask you how much time you spend on Muslim, Buddhist, Confuciionist, etc sites attacking their beliefs? My bet is it is almost none. Why is that?
They make an even smaller impact on my life than Christianity does.
Would they even allow you to attack their beliefs?
On some neutral discussion boards, yes. However, they (including the Christians) usually didn't last long, when their arguments fell apart and they descended into preaching, and subsequently got banned. Hence my move to this site.
Is that the primary reason for being here, that your atheistic beliefs
What is an "atheistic" belief?
are tolerated rather than them (and you) being tossed out? Why is attacking christianity so important to you and your fellow atheists?
I can only speak for myself, in that I want for me and my family to have beleifs that accurately reflect reality.
Do you fear us that much?
As I said, If it were not for all of the people elsewhere in the world killing each other over religion I would dismiss it all as harmless fiction. When I am not here I do not dwell on religion.
This is probably something for another thread but I thought I should at least ask those questions.....
Asked and answered. That wasn't too embarrassing, was it?
 
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If you believe in the system, you self-police.
lol. And where is the incentive for anyone to admit they are faking belief? How do you know that those around you actually believe, and are not just putting on a act, for appearances sake? You don't, do you?
I find that saying you want to have a discussion and then not answering the questions asked to be intellectually bankrupt.
Provide post #'s for these questions that I have not addressed.
Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church, all the footnotes and Scripture references. It's been tested for 2000 years, and if it was false, would have been proven by now. We can prove that Catholics who don't act Catholic according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church tend to fall outside the universal desire for well-being.
Well then, start thread on it, and detail how it is testable and falsifiable. Or, don't, conceding you cannot.
I'm aware of how thin the Christian faith is in the western world. But it's not a popularity contest.
Indeed. Even if everyone believed except me, I'd still ask for the veracity of the belief to be demonstrated.
And mine know their faith well enough to combat yours...
Maybe you can bring them in here to give you some pointers. ;)
 
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So you don't have a purpose. Nice to know ya.
That would be a misrepresentation of what I said. I never stated that I am without purpose.
I'd rather be purpose driven. Otherwise, you're just rotting flesh.
Out of curiosity, what to the words "Honesty, Integrity, Fidelity" refer to in your sig?
 
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lol. And where is the incentive for anyone to admit they are faking belief? How do you know that those around you actually believe, and are not just putting on a act, for appearances sake? You don't, do you?
It's not my worry what anyone else believes. The body of the faith is there for you to believe, or not. I don't care what my neighbor, or you, for that matter, thinks of me, I care what God thinks. I do acts of mercy to others for their benefit, not for mine, and for the greater glory of God.
Provide post #'s for these questions that I have not addressed.
I asked several times if you believe that everyone in the world is absolutely obligated to be and do good, and if so where that obligation comes from. I've not seen an answer from any of you.
Well then, start thread on it, and detail how it is testable and falsifiable. Or, don't, conceding you cannot.
Read the Catechism, as I said, then come back, and we can have a discussion. Or don't, conceding you're not interested.
Indeed. Even if everyone believed except me, I'd still ask for the veracity of the belief to be demonstrated.

Maybe you can bring them in here to give you some pointers. ;)
Guffaw! What a knee-slapper.
 
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That would be a misrepresentation of what I said. I never stated that I am without purpose.
If you have a purpose, then everything in the universe, including the universe itself, has a purpose. What is it?
Out of curiosity, what to the words "Honesty, Integrity, Fidelity" refer to in your sig?
What do they mean, to you?
 
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There is only one that I am aware of, with many different applications.

As I would expect, in a methodology that encourages such, as a means of self correction and and increased accuracy.

I would say that I tentatively accept most of the testable, falsifiable hypothesis I have been presented with, based on the currently available evidence, and that is subject to change if new information becomes available. It's not like whether I accept it or not is going to affect the price of milk at the market.

Not at all. It is only when religionists that have access to our government, education system, and my children, begin to present their untestable, unfalsifiable beliefs as fact do I get concerned. If it were not for all of the people killing each other over religion I would dismiss it all as harmless fiction.

"I am not convinced" requires no defence.

Or, you have not demonstrated that your god is anything more than a character in a book.

Actually, most of the time my comments are directed at faulty science, bad philosophy, and bankrupt theologies.

Indeed. As I have virtually no religionists to discuss this with outside of family (the in laws), I have found my time here to be interesting, informative, and at times entertaining.:)

They make an even smaller impact on my life than Christianity does.

On some neutral discussion boards, yes. However, they (including the Christians) usually didn't last long, when their arguments fell apart and they descended into preaching, and subsequently got banned. Hence my move to this site.

What is an "atheistic" belief?

I can only speak for myself, in that I want for me and my family to have beleifs that accurately reflect reality.

As I said, If it were not for all of the people elsewhere in the world killing each other over religion I would dismiss it all as harmless fiction. When I am not here I do not dwell on religion.

Asked and answered. That wasn't too embarrassing, was it?
You are the only atheist that had the courage to respond....bravo...
 
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It's not my worry what anyone else believes.
What then brings you here?
The body of the faith is there for you to believe, or not.
Leaving millions to interpret religion as they like.
I don't care what my neighbor, or you, for that matter, thinks of me, I care what God thinks.
And how exactly are you privy to what your god thinks? Let me guess; he thinks just like you.
I do acts of mercy to others for their benefit, not for mine, and for the greater glory of God.
That's nice.
I asked several times if you believe that everyone in the world is absolutely obligated to be and do good, and if so where that obligation comes from. I've not seen an answer from any of you.
I do not recall an instance where you asked that of me (and you provided no post #'s), and my answer would have been, that is not my position.
Read the Catechism, as I said, then come back, and we can have a discussion. Or don't, conceding you're not interested.
I am not interesting in unpacking dogma, and I didn't think you could present it otherwise.
Guffaw! What a knee-slapper.
Was that your response or theirs?
 
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If you have a purpose, then everything in the universe, including the universe itself, has a purpose. What is it?
While I do not accept your premise, if I am forced to answer the question as you have loaded it, I would answer: me.
What do they mean, to you?
I asked you first, and it is in your sig.
 
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What then brings you here?
Mental exercise, for those who can engage.
Leaving millions to interpret religion as they like.
The Church does not impose her beliefs on anyone. She proposes a system presented by Jesus Christ through His apostles. Ultimately, God will judge everyone according to His teaching. He will take into account any mental deficiency one has. For example, someone who has not been presented with the faith will not be accountable, one who has been presented but lacks the mental capacity to rationally choose right will not be accountable. To those who are shown, and accept, much will be expected. See the parable of the Talents for more...
And how exactly are you privy to what your god thinks? Let me guess; he thinks just like you.
Not a very good guess. I often do not think like Him. That means I'm a sinner. But I do pray, and seek, and often find what God thinks. It's not hard, you just have to be humble and listen.
That's nice.

I do not recall an instance where you asked that of me (and you provided no post #'s), and my answer would have been, that is not my position.
It may have been to someone else, but it's not a private forum.
I am not interesting in unpacking dogma, and I didn't think you could present it otherwise.
Well, I did present it. You can lead a horse to water...
Was that your response or theirs?
I can't help it if you're not willing to do a bit of the work. I won't deal with someone who just sits there with arms folded, scowling the whole while. If you're interested in God, you will read and understand the Catechism of the Catholic Church, or any of a number of other systematic theology texts. Summa Theologiae might be a good start, too.
 
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While I do not accept your premise, if I am forced to answer the question as you have loaded it, I would answer: me.
Very self-serving. Bravo.
I asked you first, and it is in your sig.
Why do you ask? Is there something offensive about my sig to you?
 
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To the bolded, isn't that sort of like when I started to present an argument, and one of your colleagues said, "Oh, that's the argument from ignorance."? In other words, claiming to know all the arguments for God...
For the record, I do respect those who do not have the same beliefs I do. I have quite a few colleagues on this board who do not hold Catholic views, we respect each other's views a great deal.

Nope not the same.

Big difference between identifying the argument for what it is and making wild assumptions about how another person thinks.
 
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So you don't have a purpose. Nice to know ya.
I'd rather be purpose driven. Otherwise, you're just rotting flesh.

Why would someone need to claim to know the purpose of the universe (if there is one) to form their own purpose in life?
 
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Even most science is not provable. Ask Gallileo.Well, in actuality, most Christians have lack of commonality with other Christians. The Catholic faith has a systematic set of beliefs, so does the Orthodox, and they are pretty much in agreement. Regarding all Christians, I guess we could all be said to believe that Jesus lived, did what was recorded in the Gospels, died, Resurrected and rose. The Apostles or Nicene Creed. Past that, we disagree on many things.

The proofs I have, you wouldn't accept, I'm very sure. I think civilwarbuff feels the same. But let me ask...do you believe that Homer's works and Virgil's Aeneid are accurate depictions of those originals? If so, why?

I didnt bring up the term proof, civilwar did.

I never claimed science dealt with proof, it deals in objective evidence.
 
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I didnt bring up the term proof, civilwar did.
I usually use the word evidence or something similar, not proof, though I won't deny it at this point. Can you point me to the post......I will be happy to edit the statement to what I meant.
 
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How would you demonstrate that it happened otherwise?
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Is asking others to prove a negative your hobby?

Can you prove that some alien from another universe didnt create our universe?

You see, i dont have to demonstrate the cause (if there is one) of the universe, because i simply dont know.
 
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