God's 7000 year Plan

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That's the old reliable "prove me wrong' argument which was used liberally during the great Blood Moons Fiasco of 2015
Jipsah, I respect you as a very knowledgeable person.
The so called 'blood moon tetrad' was a scam of the highest order. Quite unblblical and it made millions for the perpetrators, who should be held accountable, but who remain at large and enjoying their ill-gotten gains. The Lord will judge them. Jeremiah 14:14-15 I warned against it, as I know how the actual blood moon will happen.
Given my age and current state of health, i'm as likely to be alive in 3039 as 2039
I am 74 years young, I expect to see it all; you can too! See you in Beulah. Jeremiah 31:8, Isaiah 49:22-23, Hosea 6:1-3
D0 you reckon that engineers are corrupted by having gone to engineering school or doctors to med school?
All who receive instruction are inclined to be biased toward their instructors. That's natural. We are similar to computers: bad input = bad output. Medical tutors once taught that letting blood was a cure and today Seminary tutors teach the rapture escapist theory, or the avoidance of prophecy altogether.
 
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Don't you understand? It is impossible for Jesus to have done what is written in one year. It took 3.

Nothing is impossible with god..

Yes, I use Jeremiah 8:8 too, the Jews have made mistakes in their Mishnah and Talmud. But the Torah remains inviolate.

Hmm...

Only to be revealed to dfw69?

lol no ...anyone can read it for themselves ...let he that has ears ..hear what the scriptures say... It's for everyone ... I am just one fortunate to see it ...I'm sure I'm not the only one who will see it ..or who has already seen it ...



The better time for the start of the Jubilees would be when Jesus declared 'the year of the Lord's favour'. Luke 4:19
However, as we cannot be sure of the exact date of that event, we are still unable to calculate Jubilee's.

Why?... John came in the 15th year of Caesar Tiberius ... Jesus started his ministry the following year so it's In the vicinity of 2028 -2030 ... That's at least a small window to look for him to rapture us to new Jerusalem

Even if he does not rapture the church on the 40th jubilee ... He does not return till the end of the counting of the Omer ...2450-2500 window

What do you suppose the counting of the Omer is for? What prophectic significance?
 
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Why?... John came in the 15th year of Caesar Tiberius
The actual date for this is under contention, because Tiberius was co-Emperor with Augustus for a few years.
What do you suppose the counting of the Omer is for? What prophectic significance?
None at all. Just another crackpot idea.
Why is it so difficult for you to read and understand the truth of God's 7000 year Plan?
 
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Why is it so difficult for you to read and understand the truth of God's 7000 year Plan?

For me, it's This:

He remembers his covenant forever, the promise he made, for a thousand generations, (1 Ch 16:15)

~That's a promise by God that lasts somewhere between 40,000 and 120,000 years of Earthly Human Procreation, depending on how one reckons a Biblical generation.... either way, it far eclipses a measly 7000 years.

And this:

Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever. (Ecc 1:4)

~Forever is much longer than 7000 years, and unlike your 7K plan theory, I don't have to do any gymnastical, mathy stuff to figure out that equation. It's a Plain, direct statement from God that I trust at face value.
 
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The actual date for this is under contention, because Tiberius was co-Emperor with Augustus for a few years.

Yeah I heard that too...

None at all. Just another crackpot idea.

God does not place the counting of the Omer in scripture for no reason Keras... It's there for a purpose ...a prophetic purpose

You calling my theory a crackpot idea?... It's comments like this that makes me think you are trying to blow me off ..if that is what you want ..ok .. I get the hint .. Peace



Why is it so difficult for you to read and understand the truth of God's 7000 year Plan?

God does things in 8 also... I believe God has an 8000 year plan ...

If by some chance you are correct and Jesus return in the 7000 year then he will rule for 1000 years more ... And in the 8th millennium new Jerusalem comes down...
 
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For me, it's This:

He remembers his covenant forever, the promise he made, for a thousand generations, (1 Ch 16:15)

~That's a promise by God that lasts somewhere between 40,000 and 120,000 years of Earthly Human Procreation, depending on how one reckons a Biblical generation.... either way, it far eclipses a measly 7000 years.

And this:

Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever. (Ecc 1:4)

~Forever is much longer than 7000 years, and unlike your 7K plan theory, I don't have to do any gymnastical, mathy stuff to figure out that equation. It's a Plain, direct statement from God that I trust at face value.

Yeah that is why I believe the new earth refers to a renovation not total destruction and create a new one ..
 
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Yeah that is why I believe the new earth refers to a renovation not total destruction and create a new one ..
With Human procreation continuing?

Aside from that, your view has some merit, for the flood too was said to have "destroyed the earth" even though it did no such thing.
 
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With Human procreation continuing?

Aside from that, your view has some merit, for the flood too was said to have "destroyed the earth" even though it did no such thing.


Yes I've always believed man will continue to procreate forever .. Unless I'm missing something
 
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Yes I've always believed man will continue to procreate forever .. Unless I'm missing something

Nope.. I'm with ya there. Just checking the consistency of your reply.
You and I are in the minority here on CF eschatology in that view though.

Most here believe there will come a time that we will have physical Glorified Bodies that will either be gender-less, or have Sex organs that will be rendered useless, or unusable.

Hopefully if that Happens I won't be in North Carolina needing to use the Bathroom!
 
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For me, it's This:
He remembers his covenant forever, the promise he made, for a thousand generations, (1 Ch 16:15)

~That's a promise by God that lasts somewhere between 40,000 and 120,000 years of Earthly Human Procreation, depending on how one reckons a Biblical generation.... either way, it far eclipses a measly 7000 years.

And this:
Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever. (Ecc 1:4)

~Forever is much longer than 7000 years, and unlike your 7K plan theory, I don't have to do any gymnastical, mathy stuff to figure out that equation. It's a Plain, direct statement from God that I trust at face value.
Yes, the earth + the universe will remain forever. It is the time for mankind to sort out their destiny, that is limited to 6000 years, from the first Adam until the reign of the Second: Jesus.
Your flat out denial of God given truths in scripture, as presented in the OP, leaves you without the knowledge you should have about God's Plans for our future.
Yes I've always believed man will continue to procreate forever .. Unless I'm missing something
I do agree with this, certainly during the Millennium, but after that, for eternity, things may be different.
 
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God does not place the counting of the Omer in scripture for no reason Keras... It's there for a purpose ...a prophetic purpose
So is the fact of the exact time periods as I present in the OP, to no purpose?
So far you haven't shown any scriptures supporting your Omer theory. I have 46 verses proving the 7000 year Plan.
You calling my theory a crackpot idea?... It's comments like this that makes me think you are trying to blow me off ..if that is what you want ..ok .. I get the hint .. Peace
As for denigrating your theory, just provide the Biblical proof and I'll profusely apologize. There was none in your #28.
 
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Nope.. I'm with ya there. Just checking the consistency of your reply.
You and I are in the minority here on CF eschatology in that view though.

Most here believe there will come a time that we will have physical Glorified Bodies that will either be gender-less, or have Sex organs that will be rendered useless, or unusable.

Hopefully if that Happens I won't be in North Carolina needing to use the Bathroom!

:)..

I believe if I die... I will have a glorified body to be like God and like Jesus ... I believe there will be no marriage in the kingdom of heaven and we will be as the Angels as Jesus taught ..Matthew 22:30

I believe those that are resurrected in the first resurrection will have a special purpose ...


But those alive and remain in the faith at Jesus coming will continue to procreate ...
 
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I do agree with this, certainly during the Millennium, but after that, for eternity, things may be differen

I agree ..Things may be different after the millennium...I'm not 100% sure
 
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So is the fact of the exact time periods as I present in the OP, to no purpose?


I never said that your op was to no purpose ..nor deny the possibility that God may do a work .... I just believe the work he will do is rapture the church at that time ... You believe Jesus returns at that time .... So what can I say ?.... But will see...


So far you haven't shown any scriptures supporting your Omer theory. I have 46 verses proving the 7000 year Plan.


You did not have to call it a crackpot idea ... That was just rude on your part ...disagree ? ok ...insult? not cool man

As for denigrating your theory, just provide the Biblical proof and I'll profusely apologize. There was none in your #28.

Well if you can't come up for a better reason why God incorporated the counting of the Omer into the feast and its prophetic meaning then I'll continue to believe my theory ...you can disagree if you wish ... Just don't insult my intelligence if you wish to continue talking with me...it would be better to just ignore me than insult me ...:)
 
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Well if you can't come up for a better reason why God incorporated the counting of the Omer into the feast and its prophetic meaning then I'll continue to believe my theory ...you can disagree if you wish ... Just don't insult my intelligence if you wish to continue talking with me...it would be better to just ignore me than insult me ...:)
I am waiting for you to provide the scriptural proof of your omer theory.
I didn't insult you personally, just placed your theory into the same category as every other unproven notion.
However, it is obvious that no amount of Biblical truth will change your beliefs and this intransigence is normal to all who grip onto the false 'rapture to heaven' idea.
I started this thread to discuss the 7000 year Plan. You could start another thread on the Omer Plan. Make sure though, it is better supported and clearly understandable.
 
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I am waiting for you to provide the scriptural proof of your omer theory.
I didn't insult you personally, just placed your theory into the same category as every other unproven notion.[
However, it is obvious that no amount of Biblical truth will change your beliefs and this intransigence is normal to all who grip onto the false 'rapture to heaven' idea.
I started this thread to discuss the 7000 year Plan. You could start another thread on the Omer Plan. Make sure though, it is better supported and clearly understandable.

Thanks for the vote of confidence :)

Remember you invited me here ... Now I feel you kicking me out ...lol .. Jk

I appreciate you for the talk my friend .. Peace



As for the counting of the Omer ... It's a new concept for me ... Perhaps God will give us more revelation on the matter ..thanks again

"Omer plan" sounds like a good thread to start ...thanks
 
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Edward Gibbon writing about the early Christians in “The History of The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire” wrote,

“The ancient and popular doctrine of the Millennium was intimately connected with the second coming of Christ. As the works of the creation had been finished in six days, their duration in their present state, according to a tradition which was attributed to the prophet Elijah, was fixed to six thousand years. By the same analogy it was inferred that this long period of labor and contention, which is now almost elapsed, would be succeeded by a joyful Sabbath of a thousand years; and that Christ, with the triumphant band of the saints and the elect who had escaped death, or who had been miraculously revived, would reign upon earth till the time appointed for the last and general resurrection.”

2 Esdras 4:33-37, 2 Esdras 9:1-8 in the Bible Apocrypha are interesting.
 
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Hi keras,

I agree with you. I am only posting to add some encouragement for your work. Not only do the Scriptures portray a realm of creation that has existed for approximately 6,000 years at this point, but also the Jewish calendar supports a roughly 6,000 year existence.

I believe that everything that God has revealed to mankind about Himself and His plans and purposes have come to us through the Jew. Even Paul wrote that the greatest purpose for there being Judaism, or for anyone to be a Jew as he put it, was that they were entrusted with the very oracles of God.

I believe that!

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
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Hi keras,

While I agree with you concerning the age of this realm of creation in which we live, and I also have pondered the possibility that there 'could' be a 7,000 year plan, I don't find any real Scriptural support that the 7,000 year plan is anywhere in the Scriptures definitely defined.

Yes, there is a real possibility that God has established this realm of creation to continue as it is, with all the sin and rebellion now associated with it, for 6,000 years and then followed by another 1,000 years of His Son's reign upon the earth after all the wicked have been destroyed, but...

I understand it as only a real possibility. Further, even if that were the plan, we aren't any of us so sure of exactly when the 6,000th year would be. While I applaud your work in dating the creation, and I have also run the numbers, I'm not particularly assured that I am exactly correct, down to the exact year, that the creation began.

According to the Jewish account of this calendar year, it is 5776 by most accounts. So, if I am correct that we can rely on the accounting of the years through the Jewish calendar, then we still have 224 years before we reach the 6,000th year. Your calculation says we are in the 5,986th year. It is, of course, only a small discrepancy, but does allow for a 200 year gap. In 200 years a lot can happen. In 13, not so much. Most of those here on these boards will still be here to see whether the 5,986 account is correct. However, one must allow that even if your accounting is correct, there is still no definitive explanation in the Scriptures that the duration of the creation will be one week of millenniums.

So, it is possible that we may be in the 5,986th year and that in 13 years we will pass the 6,000th year mark and nothing happen. It is also possible that the 5,776 year accounting of the Jewish calendar is correct and something may or may not happen 224 years from now. I believe that Jesus gave other, more definitive signs to allow us advance warning of the impending end. So, I will keep an open mind about this and keep looking for the other signs. I agree with Jesus that we won't know the day or hour, but we will know the season. We will see other signs and wonders that are foretold in the Scriptures come to pass and know that he is standing right at the door.

As I understand the Scriptures, we will see and know the great tribulation is upon us. I don't see that at the present time. Jesus said that it would be a time of tribulation like has never been seen before or will ever be. I honestly can't justify, looking at the world today, that Christians are in a time of persecution and tribulation as has never occurred before. Yes, there are many Christians dying for their faith, but the accounts I've heard of the days of Nero seem vastly more troublous than today.

Many accounts say that Nero impaled Christians through their bowels on stakes that were planted in the ground and then set on fire as lanterns to light roadways. Certainly a very gruesome act for which I can't see anything that would be considered 'worse' than that today. So, 13 years or 224 years I can't honestly say, but I'll likely be around in 13 years. I think a lot would have to happen quickly for that to be the correct account. And, of course, as I have said, I can't even definitively say that the 6,000th year mark will be the end of this present age.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
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Yes, there is a real possibility that God has established this realm of creation to continue as it is, with all the sin and rebellion now associated with it, for 6,000 years and then followed by another 1,000 years of His Son's reign upon the earth after all the wicked have been destroyed, but...
Thanks Ted, at least you have made an effort to comprehend the truths of God's Plan. Not like others here who either try to push their own theory or attempt to subvert and discredit it.
Re the Jewish calendar: if you google search it, you will find that they missed out the reigning periods of some kings, about a 200 year error.
A 13+ year time from now until Jesus Returns, does allow enough time for all that is prophesied to happen before that Day. Must be very close now! I do believe God will act on His appointed Days. I see the Day of Tabernacles [God with us] as the Return of Jesus. Before Tabernacles comes The Day of Atonement and the first Mo'ed of the Fall series is the Day of Trumpets.
 
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