Evilution VS Evolution

[joshua 1 9]

The point is that the OT does in fact sanctify slavery, period.

Slavery is my no means a commandment. Slavery was given so people could understand the bondage of sin. God does not tell you to go out and life the life of a sinner. Just the opposite because in Jesus we have freedom. It is people that live the life of a sinner that are slaves to sin and live in bondage. People explain this by talking about the permissive will of God and the perfect will of God. He permits people to live their live in bondage to sin but He gave His Son so we could live free and no longer live our life in bondage as a slave to sin.

 

[Endtime Survivors]

Is it really so hard to understand that breathing and eating from the same orifice is a terrible design?

It's easy to understand that you sound like a kid who wants to disown his parents because he got a bicycle for his birthday instead of a motorcycle.

No, my argument suggests that it is faulty logic to assume that because of the complexity of humans and the world we occupy we must of been designed. When this logic is turned to the supposed designer I am told that he doesn't require a designer because he exists outside space, matter and time. What a convenient loophole for proponents of ID.

I think the easiest way for you to refute the argument is for you to explain how anything works outside of time, space, matter.

 

[florida2]

It's easy to understand that you sound like a kid who wants to disown his parents because he got a bicycle for his birthday instead of a motorcycle.

Every year thousands of people WILL die from choking due to no fault of their own, simply through the setup of their breathing and eating tubes. Does that sound like the design of a perfect and all-loving God?

 

[TheQuietRiot]

It's easy to understand that you sound like a kid who wants to disown his parents because he got a bicycle for his birthday instead of a motorcycle.

Babble.

Do you think breathing and eating from the same tube is a good idea?

I think the easiest way for you to refute the argument is for you to explain how anything works outside of time, space, matter.

I don't claim to know of anything that works beyond time, space and matter.

As a proponent of ID the onus is on YOU to provide evidence of your designer, not for me to refute such an idea.

What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

 

[Endtime Survivors]

Every year thousands of people WILL die from choking due to no fault of their own, simply through the setup of their breathing and eating tubes. Does that sound like the design of a perfect and all-loving God?

You make it sound as though you've found the perfect argument to see the worst in life. I remember watching a show which featured something about choking and how hot dogs are perfect for choking. The rounded tip fits snugly in the throat and it's very difficult to dislodge once it's there.

Sometimes it's the shape of the food. Sometimes it's because the food is not properly chewed. Sometimes it's because the food is eaten too quickly. People understand what causes choking and yet it still keeps happening. Why? Because we want our hot dogs? Because of poor education? Why isn't education about this kind of thing made a priority in first grade and reviewed in subsequent grades to be sure the lesson sticks? Who really cares about choking before it actually happens and why should it be evidence of poor design that we're too lazy or uneducated to chew our food properly or to teach other people about chewing their food properly?

But, ok, even with good education and diligent chewing, accidents happen; people choke. They also break bones, bleed, grow old and any number of other problems which can happen to the body. Of course, God could give us better bodies, but these are the bodies he's given us. Life in general is full of problems. It's our job to learn and grow, sometimes because of those problems and sometimes despite those problems. There are plenty of people who learn character, courage, backbone, integrity and compassion because of their perseverance through the challenges of life.

They could spend their time complaining about their problems, but that only leads to bitterness and hardness of heart.

 

[Endtime Survivors]

I don't claim to know of anything that works beyond time, space and matter.

As a proponent of ID the onus is on YOU to provide evidence of your designer, not for me to refute such an idea.

What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

You made an argument suggesting that you know what happens outside of space, time, matter (i.e. who designed the designer). The point is that, since you admittedly don't know what happens outside of space, time, matter, the question becomes pointless.

 

[Endtime Survivors]

Babble.

Do you think breathing and eating from the same tube is a good idea?

Yeah, I do. Is there a better body possible? Sure. Does that mean anything less than the best is bad? Nope. I'm quite thankful for my life and the opportunities it presents (which, in this life, necessitates working with what I've been given since no other body is available at this time). That's not babble. That's just common sense.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Yeah, I do. Is there a better body possible? Sure. Does that mean anything less than the best is bad? Nope. I'm quite thankful for my life and the opportunities it presents (which, in this life, necessitates working with what I've been given since no other body is available at this time). That's not babble. That's just common sense.

Sounds like the "intelligent designer" deliberately went with a shoddy design...

 

[Endtime Survivors]

Sounds like the "intelligent designer" deliberately went with a shoddy design...

Hmm, from bad to shoddy. It's a step in the right direction.

 

[Hoghead1]

If not insular mentality, then peninsular mentality. Once a kingdom, that idea has never quite vanished.
Conductor of train leaving Penzance for London (Paddington)
"We apologise for the late running of this train, which is due to signalling problems up in England."

It starts when the the river Tamar is crossed: Deb'n be summ'at of a furrin country.

Like the train story. I'm a steam head, member of a volunteer historical society which operates a historic 19th- century stem locomotive. Love the way England has all those steam heads running historic engines. And hey, you forgot the one about the Brits complaining that American soldiers were overfed, oversexed, overpaid, and now they're over here. Paddington Junction, about 17 miles from London, right? Famous run there. Ishambard Kingdom Brunel and Daniel Gouch, of the Great Western, took Queen Victoria on her first train ride, ran almost at 60 miles an hour from Paddington to London. Victoria loved it, swept away fears that going real fast on trains would kill you.

 

[Hoghead1]

It was the Doctor Evil 'riiiight'. I knew it was gibberish.

Huh?

 

[Hoghead1]

Spend more time on the internet and you'll definitely see many Americans say that they were the sole reason the Allies won WW2, with no regard to the British & Commonwealth forces or the Russians or the other countries that made up the Allies.

Yeah, well, that's their problem. The mess is in their head and it's up to them to fix that. There were loads of rivalries between the Americans and the British during and after WW2. "Nice guy, no general," so said Monty of Ike. It is also true tat we did equip the Russians big time, which they tried to cover up. Right here, in my town, Fairbanks, AK, they brought in fighter planes built for Russia. One of the duties here was to strip the planes of all serial numbers, engine markings, etc., so that there would be no sign they came from the US. Next step, female, note female, Russian pilots stationed in town here flew them over to Russia.

 

[Hoghead1]

Slavery is my no means a commandment. Slavery was given so people could understand the bondage of sin. God does not tell you to go out and life the life of a sinner. Just the opposite because in Jesus we have freedom. It is people that live the life of a sinner that are slaves to sin and live in bondage. People explain this by talking about the permissive will of God and the perfect will of God. He permits people to live their live in bondage to sin but He gave His Son so we could live free and no longer live our life in bondage as a slave to sin.

Baloney. The OT sanctifies slavery, and so assumes it is God's desired way.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Huh?

Never seen the Austin Powers film?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Yeah, well, that's their problem. The mess is in their head and it's up to them to fix that. There were loads of rivalries between the Americans and the British during and after WW2. "Nice guy, no general," so said Monty of Ike. It is also true tat we did equip the Russians big time, which they tried to cover up. Right here, in my town, Fairbanks, AK, they brought in fighter planes built for Russia. One of the duties here was to strip the planes of all serial numbers, engine markings, etc., so that there would be no sign they came from the US. Next step, female, note female, Russian pilots stationed in town here flew them over to Russia.

And? The Russians had a lot of female pilots. Look up the Night Witches.
Although I will say this is horribly off topic now.

 

[Hoghead1]

Never seen the Austin Powers film?

Yeah, But I guess I'm dense today and still don't get it.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Yeah, But I guess I'm dense today and still don't get it.

We all get one of those days once a week.

 

[Hoghead1]

And? The Russians had a lot of female pilots. Look up the Night Witches.
Although I will say this is horribly off topic now.

OK, thanks. Will do. Hope that's about the female pilots. Right, we're off topic. Need to get back on.

 

[Chris B]

Like the train story. I'm a steam head, member of a volunteer historical society which operates a historic 19th- century stem locomotive. Love the way England has all those steam heads running historic engines.

Brunel, Gooch, Churchward, Collett: great Great Western men.
One of the treasured odd books in my collection is an original Victorian copy of "The Steam Engine" by Dr Dionysius Lardner, infamous for his clashes with Brunel.
"Lardner also criticised Brunel's design of the Box Tunnel on the Great Western Railway. The tunnel had a 1-in-100 gradient from the east end to the west end. Lardner asserted that if a train's brakes were to fail in the tunnel, it would accelerate to over 120 mph (190 km/h), at which speed the train would break up and kill the passengers. Brunel pointed out that Lardner's calculations totally disregarded air-resistance and friction, a basic error."

 

[Hoghead1]

Brunel, Gooch, Churchward, Collett: great Great Western men.
One of the treasured odd books in my collection is an original Victorian copy of "The Steam Engine" by Dr Dionysius Lardner, infamous for his clashes with Brunel.
"Lardner also criticised Brunel's design of the Box Tunnel on the Great Western Railway. The tunnel had a 1-in-100 gradient from the east end to the west end. Lardner asserted that if a train's brakes were to fail in the tunnel, it would accelerate to over 120 mph (190 km/h), at which speed the train would break up and kill the passengers. Brunel pointed out that Lardner's calculations totally disregarded air-resistance and friction, a basic error."

Very interesting. Thanks. If you are really into trains, we could talk in private about that some time. I know Brunel really clashed with Stephenson. Said his engines were too small, would blow away in the wind, hence, those big, wide, seven-foot-one-inch-gauge Brunel engines.