What is the greatest evidence against the theory of evolution...?

[Subduction Zone]

Everything which you do not understand is a non sequitur.

Now, now. No bad behavior so soon after the moderator told you to behave. And you know that my knowledge of science far outstrips yours. Which one of us believes in fairy tales?

Also it seems that no one else agrees with you either.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I didn't think it necessary, but since you clearly understood nothing of the life cycles of the animals we were discussing, I was indeed wrong to assume you did. See above. I assumed incorrectly you wouldn't be talking about octopus without understanding at least a little bit about them and their habitats and life cycles. My bad for giving you the benefit of the doubt in assuming you understood octopus habitats, where that benefit of doubt was clearly misplaced.

Please, you should not spread falsehoods about others. Especially when your own science education level does not exceed that of a a middle school student. You only have two or three failed arguments. Why do you think that the life cycle of octopi is a significant factor in the debate.? They just followed a slightly different pathway to sight than we did. Their vision is slightly superior to ours as a result. You are only angry because you made a claim that you can't substantiate. Instead of getting mad at others try to substantiate your claims for once.

 

[Hoghead1]

Aha, that is the evidence that intelligence can not be evolved.

Seduction brought up a good point. Your posts puzzle me since you are setting yourself up against the scientific community. Well, given that the is a choice between your word and theirs, any sane, rational person is going to go on theirs, as the scientists are the highly educated experts on these matters. Do you really believe that as an unschooled lay person you really are smarter and wiser and can see further than all these scientists and then find flaws they themselves missed? I mean , c'mon on.

 

[KWCrazy]

Written by man doesn't mean authored by man in this case.

Oh course, the Ten Commandments were carved by God into stone tablets. What was written by the hand of God was: "
For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."
What we are dealing with is false teachers who repeat their discredited lies from thread to thread, post to post. They really don't care what you, I or anyone have to say. They have another agenda, which is to separate the faithful from their faith. They are here to deceive, not to engage in conversation. This is evidenced by the repeated posting of the same thing time after time, thread after thread, month after month.

 

[KWCrazy]

Game is no longer worth the candle.

With some of the people on this planet, I wish I was on a different one.

Give it a hundred years, you will.

 

[KWCrazy]

Well, given that the is a choice between your word and theirs, any sane, rational person is going to go on theirs, as the scientists are the highly educated experts on these matters. Do you really believe that as an unschooled lay person you really are smarter and wiser and can see further than all these scientists and then find flaws they themselves missed?

Yes, because anyone who denies the Lord is a fool, according to the Scriptures.
Jesus said the Scriptures are true, your science teacher said they were not. Does your science teacher know more than the Lord? Any real science professional I ever met understands that there are many things science simply cannot study. That is not true of internet scientists or internet theology majors.

 

[KWCrazy]

True, but do you really know what the words mean? And of course ,t he Bible doesn't mention evolution, it is not a scientific work.

Why would the Bible mention evolution when the it states that all the animals were created intact in their mature state; that trees were created bearing fruit; that the waters teemed with fish and that Adam was an adult man? You are stating 100% opposite of what the Bible clearly states while pretending you're not. The Bible is absolutely positively 100% in contrast to evolution and not a single TE has ever been able to make a case to the contrary.

 

[The Cadet]

Yes, because anyone who denies the Lord is a fool, according to the Scriptures.

It then goes on to mention Jesus riding into town on two donkeys, a mistranslation of a previous prophecy.

Don't really have a point here, I just find this funny.

 

[Hoghead1]

Yes, because anyone who denies the Lord is a fool, according to the Scriptures.
Jesus said the Scriptures are true, your science teacher said they were not. Does your science teacher know more than the Lord? Any real science professional I ever met understands that there are many things science simply cannot study. That is not true of internet scientists or internet theology majors.[/QU
Again you are resorting to bombast and inflammatory personal attacks. That is something I have cautioned you about before. The issue is not at all whether one is smarter than God, the issue is whether your understanding of science and Scripture is as solid and smart as you seem to think. Since you are confused here, let my clarify matters. I say the heck with all middlemen, the heck with fallible ideologies and man-made fallible religions, such as is the Bible Belt. I am going directly to Scripture and carefully examine the structure of teh texts to see what they reveal to me about their relationship to God. I say the heck with all middle men, the heck with the 19th-century theology proposed by the church. I am going directly to nature and see for myself what natures reveals about itself and how it is related to God. I say the heck with worldly wisdom, the heck with popular public opinion, teh heck with what the vast uneducated masses have to say, I am going directly to the true experts and listen only to what they advice. On that basis, I reserve the right to disagree with you completely. I am going to continually do that until you demonstrate to me that you are free the from the distortions caused by your adherence to a fallible , human-made version of Christianity, unqualified self-appointed authorities on science, and other "false prophets."

 

[KWCrazy]

Apparently God got confused on who killed Goliath, so that he told the scribe for 2 Sam. 21:19 that Elhanan did it. Now, if you say the text reads Elhanan killed teh "brother of" Goliath, forget it. The original Hebrew simply says Elhanan did not, no "brother of" is in the text and represents a major tampering by later translators.

Wow! You continue this lie, even after the truth was placed in front of you in terms of a very plain reading of the text?
For any who missed my post who might doubt that this is anything other than a direct lie, I will re-post the text in question.
Samuel 21:
15 Once again there was a battle between the Philistines and Israel. David went down with his men to fight against the Philistines, and he became exhausted. 16 And Ishbi-Benob, one of the descendants of Rapha, whose bronze spearhead weighed three hundred shekels and who was armed with a new sword, said he would kill David. 17 But Abishai son of Zeruiah came to David’s rescue; he struck the Philistine down and killed him. Then David’s men swore to him, saying, "Never again will you go out with us to battle, so that the lamp of Israel will not be extinguished."

18 In the course of time, there was another battle with the Philistines, at Gob. At that time Sibbekai the Hushathite killed Saph, one of the descendants of Rapha.


19 In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jair the Bethlehemite killed the brother of Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver’s rod.


20 In still another battle, which took place at Gath, there was a huge man with six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot—twenty-four in all. He also was descended from Rapha. 21 When he taunted Israel, Jonathan son of Shimeah, David’s brother, killed him.

This all occurs during the reign of David. David was still a shepherd boy when he killed Goliath. NO BIBLICAL SCHOLAR would make such a mistake. No honest person would continue the lie after learning the truth. Let all see and understand the words of the false teacher who demeans the word of God and tells any who would listen that the Scriptures are false.

 

[KWCrazy]

It then goes on to mention Jesus riding into town on two donkeys, a mistranslation of a previous prophecy.
Don't really have a point here, I just find this funny.

Sorry, one donkey.
John 12:
12The next day the great crowd that had come for the festival heard that Jesus was on his way to Jerusalem. 13 They took palm branches and went out to meet him, shouting,
"Hosanna!"
"Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!"
"Blessed is the king of Israel!"
14 Jesus found a young donkey and sat on it, as it is written:
15 "Do not be afraid, Daughter Zion;
see, your king is coming,
seated on a donkey’s colt."
16 At first his disciples did not understand all this. Only after Jesus was glorified did they realize that these things had been written about him and that these things had been done to him.

One donkey. Sorry.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why would the Bible mention evolution when the it states that all the animals were created intact in their mature state; that trees were created bearing fruit; that the waters teemed with fish and that Adam was an adult man? You are stating 100% opposite of what the Bible clearly states while pretending you're not. The Bible is absolutely positively 100% in contrast to evolution and not a single TE has ever been able to make a case to the contrary.

Because even if your God is real he would not try to explain evolution to a very primitive people. At best he would have given them an outline, which they seemed to get wrong anyway.

 

[Hoghead1]

Why would the Bible mention evolution when the it states that all the animals were created intact in their mature state; that trees were created bearing fruit; that the waters teemed with fish and that Adam was an adult man? You are stating 100% opposite of what the Bible clearly states while pretending you're not. The Bible is absolutely positively 100% in contrast to evolution and not a single TE has ever been able to make a case to the contrary.

Because the Bible was not intended to be a book of science. There are many other ways of talking about nature than a purely scientific one. I still do not think you are paying enough attention to my posts. I well realize that Genesis and evolution stand in tension. However, I do not feel it is fair to pit them against one another. The Bible was not intended to be a scientific witness and therefore should not be pitted against science. What you are really arguing for here isn't really the validity of the Bible, its the validity of your fundamentalist ideology about the Bible. You are going on a fallible, human-made version of Christianity. As such, it can and should be submitted for testing. I submit that wen so done, it comes up short and I have shown you solid reasons why. You keep unduly berating others here for attacking God and the Bible. That way, you can take the pressure off yourself for being in error. Phew! I'm right and I know it because all my opponents are possessed by the Devil and rebelling against God. That is a psychological defense mechanism going to work, not reason.

 

[Hoghead1]

Oh course, the Ten Commandments were carved by God into stone tablets. What was written by the hand of God was: "
For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."
What we are dealing with is false teachers who repeat their discredited lies from thread to thread, post to post. They really don't care what you, I or anyone have to say. They have another agenda, which is to separate the faithful from their faith. They are here to deceive, not to engage in conversation. This is evidenced by the repeated posting of the same thing time after time, thread after thread, month after month.

More bombast and inflammatory personal attacks. More breaking of the rules of this forum. To be expected. Question is, Where on earth does the Bible say that Moses came down the mountain with that written on the tablets?

 

[Hoghead1]

Wow! You continue this lie, even after the truth was placed in front of you in terms of a very plain reading of the text?
For any who missed my post who might doubt that this is anything other than a direct lie, I will re-post the text in question.
Samuel 21:
15 Once again there was a battle between the Philistines and Israel. David went down with his men to fight against the Philistines, and he became exhausted. 16 And Ishbi-Benob, one of the descendants of Rapha, whose bronze spearhead weighed three hundred shekels and who was armed with a new sword, said he would kill David. 17 But Abishai son of Zeruiah came to David’s rescue; he struck the Philistine down and killed him. Then David’s men swore to him, saying, "Never again will you go out with us to battle, so that the lamp of Israel will not be extinguished."

18 In the course of time, there was another battle with the Philistines, at Gob. At that time Sibbekai the Hushathite killed Saph, one of the descendants of Rapha.

Don't you even bother to read my posts?


19 In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jair the Bethlehemite killed the brother of Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver’s rod.


20 In still another battle, which took place at Gath, there was a huge man with six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot—twenty-four in all. He also was descended from Rapha. 21 When he taunted Israel, Jonathan son of Shimeah, David’s brother, killed him.

This all occurs during the reign of David. David was still a shepherd boy when he killed Goliath. NO BIBLICAL SCHOLAR would make such a mistake. No honest person would continue the lie after learning the truth. Let all see and understand the words of the false teacher who demeans the word of God and tells any who would listen that the Scriptures are false.

Don't you ever pay attention to my posts? I said the "brother of" in not in any of the original Hebrew texts. Some Bible translations do say "brother of," but that is a serious tampering with the text done by the translators. This is t3he third time I have had to point that out to you. Pay attention. No honest person would want to listen to you when you don't pay a bit of attention to what I am saying.

 

[The Cadet]

Sorry, one donkey.

I was referring to Matthew 21:7. Which, IMO, is the funniest part of this whole debacle - at least one gospel got it right. This is kind of a smoking gun that something in Matthew wasn't kosher.

 

[Kylie]

Human is drastically different. It can not be evolved.

Citation required.

Seriously, provide a citation for your claim here.

 

[46AND2]

Sorry, one donkey.
John 12:
12The next day the great crowd that had come for the festival heard that Jesus was on his way to Jerusalem. 13 They took palm branches and went out to meet him, shouting,
"Hosanna!"
"Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!"
"Blessed is the king of Israel!"
14 Jesus found a young donkey and sat on it, as it is written:
15 "Do not be afraid, Daughter Zion;
see, your king is coming,
seated on a donkey’s colt."
16 At first his disciples did not understand all this. Only after Jesus was glorified did they realize that these things had been written about him and that these things had been done to him.

One donkey. Sorry.

Yeah, try the Matthew version...

 

[Chris B]

Give it a hundred years, you will.

Vulcan would be nice.

But I do know where I'm going after I die: A research lab in Oxford is waiting for me.
Well, my brain, anyway.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Or when it mutates, yes. No one denies mutations occur.

https://www.google.com/search?q=bir...ved=0ahUKEwjE5syqwJ7MAhWBtIMKHX28D-QQ_AUIBigB

And yet it is only when two different infraspecific taxa mate is variation seen in the species. Such as Asian and African mating and producing an Afro-Asian. Or Husky and Mastiff mating and producing the Chinook. Until then the Asian always remains Asian, the African remains African. The Husky always remains Husky and the Mastiff remains Mastiff. Just as E coli always remain E coli and always will because they have no other genes inserted from another infraspecific taxa.

And the Afro-Asian will always remain Afro-Asian unless they too mate with another infraspecific taxa. Just as the Chinook will always remain a Chinook until they mate with another infraspecific taxa. The Asian or African does not evolve into the Afro-Asian, nor does the Husky or Mastiff evolve into the Chinook.

Ignoring the facts, like the facts of genetics, don't make them go away.