This must be your day for self-defeating comments. I won't ignore the facts, but I will ignore your conclusions.
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What is the greatest evidence against the theory of evolution...?
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What evidence can you muster that you are right and everyone else is wrong in their interpretation? I know I have presented you with hard evidence that definitely debunks your position. I also know you never bothered to address any of the solid objections I raised, just denounce me as being a lousily Christian and other nonsense.
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Yes, but what evidence can you provide that you are not twisting Scripture to fit man's teaching into it? You are, after all, simply projecting your human-made homespun dogmas, coming from the human-made dogmas of the church fathers, back into Scripture. Who says they or you are correct? Also, where did you get the idea that evolution necessitates assuming God didn't create? In my view, evolution would be impossible without God creating.
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True, but do you really know what the words mean? And of course ,t he Bible doesn't mention evolution, it is not a scientific work.
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Well, that being the case, since men did write Scripture, how can you be so sure then that it is inerrant? Divinely inspired as it may be, it was still written by males living in a prescientific culture.
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What's the difference if yor criteria for invoking design is "it looks designed"? Could it be we've discovered a double standard in your thinking?
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Totally inappropriate argument. But just what I expected from the Bible Belt, where anyone who dares disagree with their interpretations of Scripture is possessed by teh Devil, lacking the Spirit, etc. That might cut the mustard there, but it definitely does not in a serious theological discussion forum. Read the rules. It is a major no-no here you to cast aspersion on the character of your opponents , by arguing they aren't good Christians or sufficiently motivated by the Spirit, etc. You have neither the God-given authority nor the ability to sit in judgment on how well someone is truly motivated by the Spirit. Every kook and nut case in the book claims that he was inspired by teh Spirit and that those who disagree with him obviously were not and are therefore lost souls, you name it.
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Yes, but the Bible was also written by writers living in a prescientific culture. Also, nature, too, is inspired by God's Spirit and the major revelation from it is that evolution is the way God works. Creates all sorts of problems? Yes, in your head maybe, but not in the rest of us. If you have problems here, the mess is in your head. That is your problem, not ours.
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Another self-defeating comment. Man is a liar. God is not. I refuse to believe your interpretation of teh Bible and what you observe in nature.
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Another self-defeating argument. you just said that all men are liars. Next, that the Bible was written down my men. The logical conclusion is that there are no infallible human witnesses and so the Bible is not infallible through and through. Anyhow, you have yet to say which Bible, which OT is inerrant? The Septuagint or the Masoretic?
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What it means by "every man a liar" is more accurately translated "hypocrites", like Moses hypocrisy was exposed on several occassions about his anger with the people he claims to love and live and die for, but his anger with the people showed him out to be a little bit of a hypocrite, by hating them, and ultimately prevented him from getting to go into the promised land... But, this doesn't mean he was lying about God...
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It most certainly does, because the writers are were very active in the process, choosing the words they wrote. That's one of teh reasons why there are various literary styles to be found in Scripture. After all, Paul said that these were his words, not the Lord's.
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Yes, it does. And who says they are quoting God's words, word for word? Who says the scribes were purely passive, in some state of automatic writing, God dictating it all? The Bible never describes the inspiration process. And if God did in fact dictate the whole thing word for word, how did around 100 major contradictions get there? Did God somehow forget who killed Goliath, when he dictated the scribe for 2 Sam. 21:19 write that Elhanan killed Goliath of Gath? And don't give me this line that the passages should rad, "Elhanan killed the brother of Goliath." Some Bibles have it tat way, but that is a result of the translators seriously tampering with the text. The original Hebrew simply says that Elhanan killed Goliath, n "brother of" is mentioned.
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Yes, but who says Moses wrote anything in the Bible? The Bible claims no authorship for the Pentateuch. Titles such as "First Book of Moses" were out on by later translators. I believe the Pentateuch is a later synthesis of at least four earlier sources. And as there are contradictions to be found here, it is pretty obvious God didn't dictate it word for word. Also, no one has yet answered by question. Which version of the OT did God dictate word for word? The Septuagint? The Masoretic? Also the issue her is not about biblical writers lying about God. The issue is simply how accurate of a human witness they were. Given two contradictory accounts of the conquest (Joshua vs. Judges), it would appear to be the case that there were two different understandings or traditions about the conquest., each of which ahs validity, but neither of which is fully accurate. The redactors weren't lying, just dealing with two traditions Also, there is no reason to suppose biblical writers didn't get confused at times. A major contradiction in Paul is that Acts describes him as making five pilgrimages to Jerusalem, where Paul himself describes only three. I believe Paul simply forgot some. Also, more than one passage was added way later on into Scripture. Are those dictated by God or what? For example, the Johannie Comma appears only in much later Bibles. It was something inserted by later scribes. It is legit or not? The Samaritan Pentateuch contains and eleventh commandment. Well, was there one?
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Another self-defeating argument. I'm not God. If you have trouble with evolution and a nonscientific Scripture, take it up with him.
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Also you have conveniently avoided my question. According to you, which version of the OT was dictated by God word for word? The Masoretic? The Septuagint?
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But then you are just wrong. The evidence is more than clear. And you are still calling God a liar, since if he exists the evidence is his evidence.
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