What is the greatest evidence against the theory of evolution...?

[Subduction Zone]

Evolution doesn't work: life cannot arise from random mutation. Why do you believe it does?

Evolution is about how life changed once it existed. You are moving the goal posts to abiogenesis again. By doing so you admit that evolution is right. Do you want to do this?

 

[SteveB28]

I have trouble believing that there imaginations of the ancient people were that big... Or that they were lying or even exaggerating or embellishing for that matter...

Yet, I presume that you think 2 billion Muslims are lying or confused or embellishing? And a billion Hindus?

 

[Hoghead1]

Being a man doesn't make you false: some men speak the truth. But, I will always believe God's word over man's if there is a problem between the two.

It seems you are contradicting your self. First, you say all men are liars, don't take the word of men. Then you say the Bible was written by men, whom you describe as liars, and is inerrant. That's a total contradiction. Also, if we are not to take the word of men, just goon the Bible, then why should we listen to anything you have to say. After all, you are but a human, too, presenting your fallible human-made theories. Also, you have conveniently avoided by question. According to you, which version of the OT did God dictate? The Septuagint? The Masoretic? You are the one who argue God dictated Scripture right down to the letter. Therefore, it is your responsibility to answer such questions as I posed here.

 

[Hoghead1]

Written by man doesn't mean authored by man in this case.

It most certainly does. Now, some have picked upon a pagan, voodoo idea, projected it back into Scripture and then argued the scribes were in some kind of trance, producing Scripture by automatic writing, taking it down word for word from God. Forget it. Paul says it works otherwise. That's why he says that these were his words,. not the Lord's. Also you and other here have neglected my question. If God dictated Scripture, then which version of teh OT did he dictate? The Septuagint or the Masoretic?

 

[Hoghead1]

Being a man doesn't make you false: some men speak the truth. But, I will always believe God's word over man's if there is a problem between the two.

That isn't really honest on your part. All you are doing is believing one set of man's words over another. You are simply going on teh human-made dogmas of teh church fathers. And who says they necessary are correct? Also, you yourself just admitted that Scripture was written by men. So, yes, if you believe Scripture you are taking man's word for it.

 

[Hoghead1]

I will take my belief in God's Word over Godless interpretations any day.

We have been through this before. Evolution need not be Godless.

 

[Hoghead1]

It contradicts God's Word in the case of evolution.


Men wrote God's Word. It is God's Word. You want to keep going over this?

Yes, I sure do. I don't give up easily. You keep bringing it up, I'll keep responding. Already I have pointed out many times the flaws in your thinking that evolution is opposed to the Bible. I'm very patient. If you continue displaying these flaws, I am gong to continue to address them. That's the purpose of a dialogue.

 

[Hoghead1]

God said it, not man. Do you have anything to offer? Or are you going to keep hammering me for believing that God had men write His Word down?

The fact that the Bible is inspired does not mean that God dictated it word for word and then the scribes wrote it down word for word. You are big on Paul. You why don't you take a chapter from your own book and listen to what Paul had to say on the matter. He said that these were his words, not the Lord's.

 

[PsychoSarah]

In terms of evolution it IS standardized. We conquered the world. We defeated ALL animals easily. That is the standard.
We are way way more intelligent than animals, and more intelligent than the combination of all animals.

If anything has conquered the world, it is bacteria. 9/10 of the cells in your body aren't even human cells, but bacterial cells. They are so prominent in living tissues that the only way to sterilize flesh is to incinerate it.

 

[juvenissun]

If anything has conquered the world, it is bacteria. 9/10 of the cells in your body aren't even human cells, but bacterial cells. They are so prominent in living tissues that the only way to sterilize flesh is to incinerate it.

According to you, then cell dominates the world.
Every life is made of cell.
So, what is the point?

We, made of cells, are still have intelligence way way higher than any other groups of cells.

 

[SteveB28]

According to you, then cell dominates the world.
Every life is made of cell.
So, what is the point?

We, made of cells, are still have intelligence way way higher than any other groups of cells.

Her point surely is that, when you look at a human, you are actually gazing at a conglomeration which is 90% alien! Mostly other species.

 

[juvenissun]

Her point surely is that, when you look at a human, you are actually gazing at a conglomeration which is 90% alien! Mostly other species.

But the cells in human make a way much smarter being. This is not evolutional.

 

[DogmaHunter]

No, I believe the blind spot. I don't believe the idea that the blind spot somehow leads us to believe that we have no creator. Even with a blind spot our eyes are incredibly well crafted.

It contradicts the claim of "perfect design".

It's not a "perfect" design, because we can imagine a better one. In fact, we don't need to imagine anything. We have examples of eyes which don't have the design problems our eyes have. Yes: design problems. When wires are in front of the cells, that's a design problem.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I simply don't believe any eye of any sort can arise from evolutionary processes.

I know. But beliefs are irrelevant to what is actually true.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Care to explain how our eyes came to be without a designer?

The evolution of the eye is pretty well understood.
A google search will quickly lead to plenty of articles on the subject.

How design arises from chaos?

Replication with variation + competition.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I believe that intelligence is needed for something so intelligently crafted to be able to exist.

Why?

 

[Hoghead1]

God said it, not man. Do you have anything to offer? Or are you going to keep hammering me for believing that God had men write His Word down?

You misunderstand me. I am on your side. I say the heck with the middle men, the heck with fallible, human-made ideologies and fallible, man-made religions, such as is teh Bible Belt. I am going directly to Scripture and carefully studying what the structure of the texts themselves reveal about their relationship to God. I say the heck with the middle men, the heck with the natural theology provided by fallible, human-made religions. I am going directly to nature to see what it reveals about itself and its relationship to God. It is precisely on that basis that I reserve the right to completely disagree with you. I will continue to do so until you demonstrate you are free of teh distortions crated by an adherence to fallible, human-made religion.

 

[Hoghead1]

It's backed by evidence.

I'm with you here. I say the heck with worldly wisdom, the heck with popular public opinions, that heck with what the vast, uneducated masses have to say. I am going solely on the advice of highly qualified experts. It is precisely on that basis that I reserve the right to disagree with everything you say. I will continue to do so until you demonstrate you are free of the distortions crated by an adherence to unqualified, self-appointed authorities and other false prophets.

 

[Hieronymus]

It most certainly does.

Nope.

 

[Hoghead1]

Nope.

Well, I afraid "nope" is no real answer or reply to what I had to say. Essentially, you are implicitly reading a pagan form of voodoo back into Scripture, so that the scribes are seen as in some sort of purely passive trance where they taken down word for word everything God dictates, via some form of automatic writing. Forget it. The Bible never really explains how the process of inspiration works. Paul, however, does hint at it when he says that there are his words, not the Lord's. As I mentioned to you before, if you think God dictated Scripture word for word, then apparently God has some serious memory problems, which led to about 100 major biblical contradictions. Apparently God got confused on who killed Goliath, so that he told the scribe for 2 Sam. 21:19 that Elhanan did it. Now, if you say the text reads Elhanan killed teh "brother of" Goliath, forget it. The original Hebrew simply says Elhanan did not, no "brother of" is in the text and represents a major tampering by later translators. Also, you have yet to answer my question that I think I asked you earlier. Which version of the OT did God dictate? The Septuagint or the Masoretic?