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What is the greatest evidence against the theory of evolution...?

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I believe God said what He did in Genesis: he said "Let there be light" and there was light. You don't even know why or how light exists.

So again, we get "Because man says so" as the only reason, further backed up by an argument from ignorance.

Have anything else?
 
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So again, we get "Because man says so" as the only reason, further backed up by an argument from ignorance.

Have anything else?
God said it, not man. Do you have anything to offer? Or are you going to keep hammering me for believing that God had men write His Word down?
 
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God said it, not man.

Man said it in the Bible.

Do you have anything to offer? Or are you going to keep hammering me for believing that God had men write His Word down?

You could start by showing me something other than what man has written if you want to claim that it is the writings of God.
 
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How is anything a lie? I don't believe it is true.


The Bible would be my evidence, but you don't believe it.


I simply don't believe evolution is a viable explanation of life.

You refusing to believe something is not the same as it being untrue.
 
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I believe men wrote God's Word as the Spirit willed.

How do you know? How do you know they weren't just writing down what they thought to be the case? What evidence do you have (not opinion, evidence) that a 'spirit' was instructing their writing?
 
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How do you know? How do you know they weren't just writing down what they thought to be the case? What evidence do you have (not opinion, evidence) that a 'spirit' was instructing their writing?
Good question for a new topic.
 
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Well, as Armoured pointed out that I would say, the disorder and chaos is a result of sin. But you don't believe the Bible in this case, so I guess chaos is just because God chose to let everything be chaotic.


Please do not put words in my mouth or do my thinking for me. I believe all entities have a free will and so God cannot and does not force them to do things. Each has a choice whether to follow God's initial for the occasion. Evil can occur because creatures can chose otherwise that God's aim. That does not mean all evil is caused by individuals with wicked intentions. The read to Hell is paved with good intentions as well. God may well be the God of order, but God is also continually creative, continually bringing in novelty. Creativity always results in some real degree of chaos, as it is shaking up the system. We often fail to follow God, because we are too big on order, maintaining the status quo.
 
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You can observe gravity, but you cannot observe the evolution of life; it is a theory, not a fact. If you believed in God and His Word then you would interpret things differently. You don't need evolution to explain the fossil record or ERVs.
Yes, but the same can be said for you. The inerrancy of Scripture is not a fact, it is a theory. Tested out, it doesn't work. The idea that God intended Scripture to be an accurate geophysical witness is not a fact, it is a theory. Tested out, it doesn't work. Arguing that Scripture has to to be completely inerrant is not a fact, it is simply a theory whereby certain humans have projected their human-made standards of perfection onto God. It is blasphemous because we should not assume that God always has to live up to our standards of perfection or anything else. So, before you take off and criticize outers, carefully address teh weaknesses in your pet ideology.
 
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No, you can only observe variation within a kind. You can't observe a species changing into something entirely different. Birds will always be birds and people will always be people. Sure, they can change their size, shape, and color, but there is never any new information being added.

Yes, I believe the Bible is the Word of God. That's not what this is about though, because I've already demonstrated that many won't believe that it is.
Irrelevant argument. The fact that birds may stay birds does not alter the fact that there are different species of birds and that these species do evolve from one another. Your whole line of reasoning here is elf-defeating. It is as if you were to argue that there no evolution because all animals stay animals, or all primates stay primates, in which case humans and apes are the exact, same species. You are playing around too much with the definition of a "species," changing its meaning any time that seems to support your position.
 
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How do you know? How do you know they weren't just writing down what they thought to be the case? What evidence do you have (not opinion, evidence) that a 'spirit' was instructing their writing?
I have trouble believing that there imaginations of the ancient people were that big... Or that they were lying or even exaggerating or embellishing for that matter...
 
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You still cannot observe that Chimps and Humans evolved from a common ancestor. The fact we have similar ERVs doesn't prove that.
Again, another one of your self-defeating arguments. You still cannot directly observe that God created the world in six days, either.
 
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Should I just believe everything you tell me? I'm sure there are creationist scientists who look at the genome and see something completely different. I can make up my own mind, and I simply see the evolutionary model as completely and utterly false and irrational.
Another self-defeating argument. I can make up my own mind and I simply see the inerrancy model of Scripture as completely and utterly false and irrational.
 
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Because humans come from humans who come from humans... I don't believe Chimps and Humans evolved from a common ancestor. I'm sorry, I just don't.
And another self-defeating argument on your part. I don't believe the species were created separately. I'm sorry, I just don't.
 
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