Here is exactly what you said......
You claimed that there is evidence that your god exists. Now you say....
Which one is the truthful statement?
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What is the greatest evidence against the theory of evolution...?
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Here is exactly what you said......
You claimed that there is evidence that your god exists. Now you say....
Which one is the truthful statement?
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"Life is evidence of God. If you were of the truth you would believe it."
I said there is no evidence I can give you because you wouldn't believe it.
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Subduction Zone
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Of course. I used to be a Christian, and one way that many atheists lose their faith is through a more thorough understanding of the Bible.
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Subduction Zone
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Sorry, but this merely shows that you have a poor understanding of the concept of evidence.
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Don't flatter yourself. Your words do not jut, though they are very irritating and make it difficult for me to communicate with you. I am well used to hate mail from the Bible Belt. The problem I have is that neither it nor you really challenge me in any real way. I hate to say it, but this does get boring. I'll say something and the you will cast aspersion on my character, and so on, and so on. Nobody likes to be insulted, but I am well used to this sort of thin coming from the right wing. What I really need is someone to provide me with a real challenge, provide some sort of solid rational rebuttals to what I have to say.
Someone is either true or they or not, something is either right or it is wrong. Either the Bible is inerrant or it is all errant and useless. I have worked as a licensed substance-abuse counselor and my approach is REBT. All day long, I hear all this either-or thinking from clients, which is one major thought pattern underlying neurotic and substance-abuse problems, by the way. Time after time , I correct it, pointing out it is irrational and unrealistic. Reality is always a shade of grey. Time after time, they go right back to it. So I'm well used to this sort of thing. Catastrophizing is another. If such-and-such happen, oh, gee, it will be the end f the world. If something is a bit off in Scripture ,oh, geeze , the whole thing is down the drain. So I'm well used to what I am hearing here.
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Then this is not evidence. Evidence is a body of information that speaks for itself. It doesn't require any particular belief set to observe it.
I don't need any particular belief to observe the evidence that the earth is roughly spherical, that infectious diseases are caused by microbes or that compounds are formed through the combination of elements.
What you have are claims - biased, self-fulfilling claims. Stop fooling yourself that they are anything more.
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Alright, I'm done offering the Bible as a truth for my claims. I understand that my effort was futile, and I'll admit that you've all won this debate in some respects, as I was a fool for getting into it as I did. Truth is still truth, but I digress.
How about you now gather all the evidence you have and prove that God doesn't exist and that if He does He, for some reason or another, chose to let us evolve.
How about you now gather all the evidence you have and prove that God doesn't exist and that if He does He, for some reason or another, chose to let us evolve.
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Subduction Zone
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Actually he could still claim that he won. The phrase "brother of" was not in the original Hebrew. The writers of the King James Bible were not ignorant of the problem a direct translation had so they added a phrase. There are numerous apologetics articles that try to justify this claim, but discussing apologetics is against the rules. I will let you read up on this yourself.
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Subduction Zone
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You don't seem to understand that if you claim a God exists the burden of proof is upon you. Atheists merely point out the fact that sufficient evidence for a god of any sort is lacking and therefore there is no need of such a being.
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Subduction Zone
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I am sorry, but you clearly do not understand the nature of evidence. And no atheist is "rebelling". That is a terribly flawed and old idea.
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I won't add to Mr Zone, but perhaps YOU can gather all the evidence to show why Odin and Vishnu don't exist.
And when you've finished with them, I have about 1000 more.
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Well, the design present in even the smallest forms of life is a clear evidence that we have a designer of some sort. So, the burden of proof is on you to prove that life and our planet have no designer.
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Subduction Zone
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Evidence please. If you can't supply any evidence then why should anyone believe you?
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Subduction Zone
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No, it isn't. Perhaps it would be wise to ask an actual atheist what he believes. Just a helpful hint for you.
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Subduction Zone
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The theory of evolution does quite well with explaining the appearance of design. There is no actual "design" when one looks closely at life.
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PsychoSarah
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-_- dude, it's partly our fault that dogs generally aren't as smart as wolves, seeing as we bred them to obey, not to think for themselves.
Additionally, human intelligence is greatly exaggerated. Chimpanzees even consistently beat us at memory tasks. Not only is our position as the most intelligent species somewhat debatable, but chimps and bonobos are not that much less capable than us when you consider it objectively. Their brains are practically smaller versions of our own, with very analogous structure and function.
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Look, I'm no biologist, but it doesn't take much explaining to see that life at the very least looks designed. DNA is a language of sorts, and isn't language a form of intelligence? Dawkins' book The Blind Watchmaker is based on the idea that everything looks designed but somehow isn't. Can you prove that we aren't designed in any way: that there is this blind watchmaker you call evolution?
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Subduction Zone
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I did more homework than merely looking up the verse and seeing what the KJV says. Some versions of the Bible directly translate the verse and it comes out as you stated it. Also some more recent interpretation of the Bible are translating the prophesy that Luke messed up on. He copied the Pentateuch, a translation from Hebrew to Greek. A verse that said "the young woman will birth a son" was mistranslated as "a virgin will birth a son". That prophesy actually already came to pass and may have been history and not prophecy. Some of the history in the OT was written as if it were prophecy.
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