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Yes, I am attacking people because I simply state what they themselves believe. Yet you are not when you tell me to go hobnobbing with my Bible Belt buddies?
Alright, if you feel offended by what I said, let me reword it. Bible Belt Christianity is founded on an anti-intellectual theological basis. There, denouncing your opponents in as negative way as you can is taken as real cool and in. I recently heard several Bible Belt people say that Billy Graham is going to go to Hell he doesn't change his wicked ways. I receive frequent emails for a local group who continually denounce the Pope as being the Antichrist. In modern theology, we seek to avoid anything remotely related to that style. If we disagree with someone, then we try and provide a rational rebuttal, not jump in and dump on his character, denouncing him as a heretic, child of the Devil, etc. You and several others here do have a tendency to do just that. I am simply pointing that out to you and maybe that will lhelp you overcome it.
 
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And your parents are a product of their parents and so on and so for. You believe life arose without intelligence, and so you, being alive, are ULTIMATELY the product of ignorance. Maybe not immediately, but ultimately. How intelligence somehow came to be is what you are still trying to figure out. Why not believe in God?

Ask yourself why you don't believe in Odin or Zeus and you'll have my answer as well.
 
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Thank you for proving that you do not have a theology degree.
David was a young man when he killed Goliath. Samuel 21 comes much later, while he is king. Here is what is ACTUALLY HAPPENING in Samuel 21.

18 In the course of time, there was another battle with the Philistines, at Gob. At that time Sibbekai the Hushathite killed Saph, one of the descendants of Rapha.
19 In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jair the Bethlehemite killed the brother of Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver’s rod.
20 In still another battle, which took place at Gath, there was a huge man with six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot—twenty-four in all. He also was descended from Rapha. 21 When he taunted Israel, Jonathan son of Shimeah, David’s brother, killed him.
22 These four were descendants of Rapha in Gath, and they fell at the hands of David and his men.

Thanks for playing, but you lose.
 
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If we disagree with someone, then we try and provide a rational rebuttal, not jump in and dump on his character, denouncing him as a heretic, child of the Devil, etc. You and several others here do have a tendency to do just that. I am simply pointing that out to you and maybe that will lhelp you overcome it.
Quote, please? Me questioning you and your beliefs is not the same as me calling you a heretic or a child of the Devil. I think you are stereotyping me.
 
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The point is that I never attacked anyone; I'd like a quote of me attacking someone if that's really the case.

Attacked? Who said anything about an attack!?

Is this an example of that martyrdom thing that you folk find so endearing?
 
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Thank you for proving that you do not have a theology degree.
David was a young man when he killed Goliath. Samuel 21 comes much later, while he is king. Here is what is ACTUALLY HAPPENING in Samuel 21.

18 In the course of time, there was another battle with the Philistines, at Gob. At that time Sibbekai the Hushathite killed Saph, one of the descendants of Rapha.
19 In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jair the Bethlehemite killed the brother of Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver’s rod.
20 In still another battle, which took place at Gath, there was a huge man with six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot—twenty-four in all. He also was descended from Rapha. 21 When he taunted Israel, Jonathan son of Shimeah, David’s brother, killed him.
22 These four were descendants of Rapha in Gath, and they fell at the hands of David and his men.

Thanks for playing, but you lose.
Thanks for playing, but it is you who lose. If you would pay attention to what I write, you would have noted that I pointed out, in my previous post, that the original Hebrew texts do not have any "brother of" in here. That was a gloss added by later translators, when they tampered with the text. That's why some modern editions of teh Bible have omitted "brother of" here.
 
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You have quite the faith. I'm sure they will come up with something; in fact, many believe they already have. Remember that soup I was talking about?

No faith required. All we need do is to continue what we have been doing - follow the evidence.
 
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No faith required. All we need do is to continue what we have been doing - follow the evidence.
The evidence is that God exists, and you refuse to seek Him. You will die in your rebellion if you don't repent and turn to Jesus Christ.
 
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Attacked? Who said anything about an attack!?

Is this an example of that martyrdom thing that you folk find so endearing?
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"However, it seems you are so hostile and angry with them that you cannot help but attack their character, calling them names, stupid, ignorant."

My previous post was in response to this comment from Hoghead1, thank you very much.
 
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The evidence is that God exists, and you refuse to seek Him. You will die in your rebellion if you don't repent and turn to Jesus Christ.

Save the threats. They haven't worked for 87 years; they aren't going to now.

And you have ZERO evidence for your god's existence. If you had any, you'd present it.
 
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Save the threats. They haven't worked for 87 years; they aren't going to now.

And you have ZERO evidence for your god's existence. If you had any, you'd present it.
Ignore the warnings all you want; judgement is still coming.

Life is evidence of God. If you were of the truth you would believe it.
 
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Post #406
"However, it seems you are so hostile and angry with them that you cannot help but attack their character, calling them names, stupid, ignorant."

My previous post was in response to this comment from Hoghead1, thank you very much.

No, you were telling him what he believes.
 
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Ignore the warnings all you want; judgement is still coming.

Life is evidence of God. If you were of the truth you would believe it.

Life is evidence of life-making pixies. There, see how silly that sounds?

Life is evidence that things are alive, nothing more.
 
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