What is the greatest evidence against the theory of evolution...?

[KWCrazy]

That's because whenever anyone presents you one, you become hostile, angry, and denounce them as liars, bad Christians, etc. And that's exactly what you did with me when I showed you some.

You never presented anything, other than a portion of a verse about the sea bringing forth life, which was immediately clarified by posting the entire verse. I never called you a liar, though you posted things which were not true. I questioned what you believe because YOU are the one trying to pass yourself off as an expert while teaching false doctrine. I have met a very few biblical scholars who didn't believe the Bible. That would be like me studying Islam; a false religion invented by a false prophet. The only reason I would study it would be do discredit it.

 

[KWCrazy]

So everyone who doesn't share your beliefs is going to go to Hell?

What do you believe is the final destination of the unbeliever? I left it open to interpretation. Everyone reaches their final destination eventually. Faith is hard. Pretending there is no God is easy.

 

[KWCrazy]

There are about 100 major errors in Scripture.

Rubbish. There may be 100 things with which you disagree, but that doesn't mean you're correct.

 

[SteveB28]

Rubbish. There may be 100 things with which you disagree, but that doesn't mean you're correct.

When exactly was Jesus supposed to have been born?

 

[SteveB28]

I'm sorry you feel that way, but truth is truth, and only those with God's Spirit can believe it. It boggles my mind that people can claim to love God yet reject the very first chapter of His Word. Maybe God has just blessed me with a strong faith, I don't know, but I know for a fact that no one can believe in soup to man evolution without twisting or completely rejecting the scriptures in some way. The issue is really about who your authority is: Do you believe God's account of creation or secular man's?

The bible was written by men, not gods. We don't know all of their names, but we know that humans created it. As far as it being "god's account", that is an unsupported claim by those who would wish it so.

 

[SteveB28]

You don't even believe in God, yet you claim some authority in this matter?

Authority is based in belief?

 

[ClothedInGrace]

Authority is based in belief?

Should we believe an eyewitness account from a person without eyes? Likewise, should we listen to the intelligence of a person who believes they are the product of ignorance?

 

[SteveB28]

Should we believe an eyewitness account from a person without eyes? Likewise, should we listen to the intelligence of a person who believes they are the product of ignorance?

What "eye witness account" do you refer to?

And who are you suggesting is a "product of ignorance"? What does that even mean?

 

[ClothedInGrace]

What "eye witness account" do you refer to?

And who are you suggesting is a "product of ignorance"? What does that even mean?

You really don't get it? It's an analogy.

A person without eyes cannot give an eyewitness account, because they have no eyes; in the same manner, a person cannot be intelligent if they believe they are the product of ignorance, because ignorance breeds ignorance--not intelligence. A product of ignorance is anyone who believes that there is no God.

 

[Armoured]

You really don't get it? It's an analogy.

A person without eyes cannot give an eyewitness account, because they have no eyes; in the same manner, a person cannot be intelligent if they believe they are the product of ignorance, because ignorance breeds ignorance--not intelligence. A product of ignorance is anyone who believes that there is no God.

...because logic!

 

[ClothedInGrace]

...because logic!

Indeed. Is it logical to believe that man came from soup? Do computers come from junkyards?

 

[Hoghead1]

You never presented anything, other than a portion of a verse about the sea bringing forth life, which was immediately clarified by posting the entire verse. I never called you a liar, though you posted things which were not true. I questioned what you believe because YOU are the one trying to pass yourself off as an expert while teaching false doctrine. I have met a very few biblical scholars who didn't believe the Bible. That would be like me studying Islam; a false religion invented by a false prophet. The only reason I would study it would be do discredit it.

Your post here is precisely what I am talking about. You depict me in as negative light as you can, as some sort of con artist trying to pass himself off as an expert. I find that highly inappropriate and insulting. As I told you before, I have a doctorate in theology. But of course, you disrespected me, you refused to believe me and called me a lair. I never said I didn't believe the Bible. Another nefarious claim you have made to discredit and misrepresented me here. Also, I never posted any verses about the sea bringing forth life. Where did you get that idea? It seems that you are so hostile and angry that you cannot help but want to unduly cast diversion on my character and way you can. That is totally inappropriate in this and any other forum.

 

[Hoghead1]

Rubbish. There may be 100 things with which you disagree, but that doesn't mean you're correct.

No, that is not at all the case. Apparently you are not very familiar with contemporary biblical scholarship, where it is widely recognized and accepted that there are many contradictions in Scripture. There is a huge amount or literature on these. Also, I wonder haw carefully you have read the Bible. For example, did you notice how 2 Sam. 21:19 says that Elhanan killed Goliath of Gath? If you Bible says "brother of," that is a result of the translator tampering with the text. The Hebrew text simply says Elhanan killed Goliath, no "brother of." So who did kill Goliath? David? Elhanan? And there is plenty more where that came from.

 

[SteveB28]

Indeed. Is it logical to believe that man came from soup? Do computers come from junkyards?

You think those are examples of logic?

Oh dear.

And who, other than yourself, proposes that "man came from soup"?

 

[ClothedInGrace]

You think those are examples of logic?

Oh dear.

And who, other than yourself, proposes that "man came from soup"?

Did I use those as examples of logic, or did I ask if they were logical? You can reread my post if you don't know the answer.

I myself never proposed that man could arise from soup; I believe that God created us perfectly human, as is evidenced by our incredible design. Those who hold that soup is our ancestor believe so, and that would include you and all who hold to evolution as an explanation for life and all of its complexity. Do you not believe that we evolved from primordial soup?

 

[Hoghead1]

What do you believe is the final destination of the unbeliever? I left it open to interpretation. Everyone reaches their final destination eventually. Faith is hard. Pretending there is no God is easy.

We're getting way off topic here. It belongs in a thread on Heaven and salvation. I believe that God loves everyone and so God saves everyone,regardless of their religious beliefs. It is more important to God how people live than what dogmas they believe. However, let's get back on track.

 

[KWCrazy]

When exactly was Jesus supposed to have been born?

About 6 BC. The Gregorian calendar is a bit off.

 

[KWCrazy]

The bible was written by men, not gods. We don't know all of their names, but we know that humans created it. As far as it being "god's account", that is an unsupported claim by those who would wish it so.

As an atheist, your opinion is noted but insignificant. You can't logically assign attributes or authorship of a God in which you do not believe.

 

[SteveB28]

You really don't get it? It's an analogy.

A person without eyes cannot give an eyewitness account, because they have no eyes; in the same manner, a person cannot be intelligent if they believe they are the product of ignorance, because ignorance breeds ignorance--not intelligence. A product of ignorance is anyone who believes that there is no God.

Ah, so I am ignorant, is that it? I am a product of ignorance because I don't believe in gods, yes?

That doesn't really follow, does it? If I am a product of "breeding", surely that would mean that my ancestors carried the 'ignorance' trait? And how would you know what their beliefs were?

 

[SteveB28]

As an atheist, your opinion is noted but insignificant. You can't logically assign attributes or authorship of a God in which you do not believe.

Oh, I do wish I could have used that argument with my literature professor:

"As one who does not believe that any of Shakespeare's characters actually existed, it is logically impossible for me to deconstruct their characters and attributes!"

A+ right?