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What is the greatest evidence against the theory of evolution...?
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Recording your growth involves measuring the same subject at different intervals. That's why the analogy fails. The other requires finding fossils of animals that lived and died and physically arranging them to show transition. it is impossible to remove human bias from this process. [/quote]
Not so clear since I've seen those so-called pre-historic humanoid skulls matched up with known people and they fit pretty well. The range of human skulls currently in use could be arranged to show growth and transition if anyone so desired, even though they are contemporaneous.
You asked for the BEST evidence. The word of God renders evolution invalid. As books go it's a pretty good book, but it's nothing without knowing the author. Once you discover that God is real it all begins to make sense. Until then, it's not supposed to make sense. All the money in the world can't get you to Heaven. What is required is faith. Much is hidden from the unbelievers. If it were clearly provable there would be no need for faith.
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We can also measure the skull size of hominids over time, hominids being the subject of our study.
Oh look, we get a continuous increase in cranium size among hominid transitional species.
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[quote[ The fact is that we have a clear evolutionary timespan, showing a clear path from ape-like ancestors to modern humans with many transitional forms. [/quote]
Not so clear since I've seen those so-called pre-historic humanoid skulls matched up with known people and they fit pretty well. The range of human skulls currently in use could be arranged to show growth and transition if anyone so desired, even though they are contemporaneous.
You asked for the BEST evidence. The word of God renders evolution invalid. As books go it's a pretty good book, but it's nothing without knowing the author. Once you discover that God is real it all begins to make sense. Until then, it's not supposed to make sense. All the money in the world can't get you to Heaven. What is required is faith. Much is hidden from the unbelievers. If it were clearly provable there would be no need for faith. [/Q
That assumes, KW, that your interpretation of the Bible is correct and the only possible one. There are other options in Christian thought. Trouble is, any time one of this is brought up, you become polemical and denounce it as something of the Devil, and of course those of your fellow Christians going with it are unjustly denounced by you as atheists, ignorant, etc. That kind of intolerant behavior totally compromisers the validity of any of your claims, not to mention that it is totally imapproiate in this forum.
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We are much much smarter than any other animals. So we are not evolved.
This kind of intelligent rise is absolutely not evolutional.
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Faith is no real help. Faith can go off, with utter confidence and conviction, in any direction.
Or were you suggesting just one particular object of faith?
But faith doesn't help one choose between objects of faith.
It just supports and authenticates whichever one it lights upon or gets attached to.
It can't really do anything else.
The statement quoted above would fit a range of religions and positions of faith.
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That's because whenever anyone presents you one, you become hostile, angry, and denounce them as liars, bad Christians, etc. And that's exactly what you did with me when I showed you some.
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No sequitur. It does not follow of a necessity at all.
A range of species could argue that their "special skill" proved that they had not evolved.
We are a blind evolutionary experiment, a high-cost big brain against the potential of a big brain.
The extension of awareness and problem solving with such a brain against the interference with high-speed reflex instincts.
(Civilization can't work on just instincts: it needs a capacity for reflective thought to move a step beyond bare tribalism.)
"...So we are not evolved" doesn't seem to have anything holding it up.
On the other hand the distinctly less than perfect human body fits an evolutionary model very nicely.
If intelligence (consciousness, abstract thought) does have survival value in some circumstances, then it will, as with other niches strategies and environments, get tried.
But a couple of million years, being generous, is far too short a time to bring in a "success" verdict.
Ask the trilobites, ask the dinosaurs, ask the American passenger pigeon.
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Exactly. I don't have to get to those yet (many many such examples). Only the intelligence different would be a powerful evidence already.
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1 Corinthians 1:18-31
For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written,
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the cleverness of the clever I will set aside.”
Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness, but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble; but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are, so that no man may boast before God. But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption, so that, just as it is written, “Let him who boasts, boast in the Lord.”
If you believed in God our creator and the scriptures, then you would not believe in soup to man evolution. But, since you do not believe in God our creator and the scriptures, but rather secular men, then you believe man evolved from soup.
These debates are foolish, because without the Spirit of God no man will believe the truth. A man without the Spirit of God will not believe the truth.
1 Corinthians 2:14
But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written,
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the cleverness of the clever I will set aside.”
Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness, but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble; but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are, so that no man may boast before God. But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption, so that, just as it is written, “Let him who boasts, boast in the Lord.”
If you believed in God our creator and the scriptures, then you would not believe in soup to man evolution. But, since you do not believe in God our creator and the scriptures, but rather secular men, then you believe man evolved from soup.
These debates are foolish, because without the Spirit of God no man will believe the truth. A man without the Spirit of God will not believe the truth.
1 Corinthians 2:14
But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
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I have trouble with this kind of posting. I don't feel it is at all appropriate here. What it does is unduly denounce and ridicule all those fellow Christians who do not share your interpretation of teh Bible. Yes, I believe in evolution and I also believe in God. In fact, I think evolution would be impossible without God. It seems to be SOP that any Christian scholar who disagrees with the Bible Belt or fundamentalist version of Scripture is automatically written off as possessed by the Devil, insane, you name it. I think that kind of attitude is totally out of place here.
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I'm sorry you feel that way, but truth is truth, and only those with God's Spirit can believe it. It boggles my mind that people can claim to love God yet reject the very first chapter of His Word. Maybe God has just blessed me with a strong faith, I don't know, but I know for a fact that no one can believe in soup to man evolution without twisting or completely rejecting the scriptures in some way. The issue is really about who your authority is: Do you believe God's account of creation or secular man's?
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What do you mean by "God's account of creation"? If you mean the Bible there is no real reason to believe the account in Genesis is "God's account". In fact if you believe that is the correct account then you have to believe in a lying God. The problem that literalists face is that God would have had to have created the evidence that we observe too and all of the evidence clearly says that life is the product of evolution. The Earth should be just as much "God's account" or even more so than a mere book that was written by human beings.
That is why worldwide most Christians accept the theory of evolution.
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Based on your interpretation of Scripture, yes, there is a problem here. But who says Scripture was intended by God to be an inerrant geophysical witness or inerrant in every respect? Moderns science challenges the biblical cosmology and the Genesis account of creation. There are about 100 major errors in Scripture. The accounts were written long after then events took place. Scripture is not an objective history. The logical conclusion is that Scripture is not inerrant in all respects, period, end of it, nothing more. It definitely does not mean God is a liar. That assumes God dictated Scripture word for word. But that is just one theory about how God operated with Scripture. There are other ones. I believe God works with the grain, not against it. God works like a careful carpenter. God can only move forward as fast as we are ready. Since the biblical writers were the products of a prescientific culture, it would be ridiculous to assume God would impart to them advanced scientific knowledge. They weren't ready yet. Divinely inspired as it may be, the Bible is still the product of a prescientific culture. It was written by fallible, limited human beings. Now, unless you are naïve enough to believe that humans are always infallible in what they say, all human witnesses are fallible to a greater or lesser degree. This does not men Scripture is of no use. Either-or thinking is basically neurotic thinking. Either the Bible is inerrant or it is all errant and worthless. That kind of thinking is unrealistic. Reality is always a shade of grey.
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