Why do Christians have trouble with accepting Evolution?

[EastCoastRemnant]

Considering that one kind mutating into another is a sudden event, the likelihood of finding the first mutation would be zero. But what we do have preserved in the fossil record is different kinds that lived in different ages. This planet has been the host of many epochs of varied life forms. The dirt beneath our feet was once alive. Roughly speaking, the fossil record indicates major activity over a period of 550,000,000 years. Man is quite young and ONLY found in the most recent records.


Do you have the proof of a 6 day creation event 6,000 years ago?

What the fossil record indicates is that there were animals that died sometime in the past... that's it... all other commentary about the fossils is conjecture.

As far as evidence of a young earth, yes it's there. I'll do a separate post to list some of them later... I'm at work so can only post periodically.

 

[Hoghead1]

Yes, Ted, but you are presenting essentially human-made assumptions, your human wisdom here, about how God is related to Scripture and also nature. Some are subject to empirical testing and should be tested. Science goes on what the hard evidence presents. Based on the latter, the Genesis accounts do not hold water. That means your assumptions about how God works via nature and also Scripture need to be revised.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

TOE is a scientific finding, it's not a holy truth, its merely true.

A scientific finding is not truth, it is conjecture. Truth is absolute and science is anything but...

 

[Hoghead1]

Well, Extraneous, if you feel I said something offensive or took a cheap shot, let me know what it was and I will try and rephrase it.

 

[Hoghead1]

Yes, very true, Paul. If you feel I didn't present enough evidence for something I said, then let me know.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Romans 1 says we're to blame if we refuse to honor/thank/acknowledge the Creator and people who do this are worshipping and serving the creature rather than the Creator. God calls this ungodliness and unrighteousness and a reason for His wrath (Romans 1:18).

The evolution or millions of years indoctrination is strong and as we can see on here, many Christians have fallen for it. Yesterday I was teaching my sixth grade girls (11 years old) discipleship group about the age of the earth and Biblical authority versus man's authority. I told them to be aware that they will face ridicule even from Christians for believing God's Word, but that's okay.

I personally had the benefit of growing up in the church, and I believed the Bible from a young age. My parents also homeschooled me for most of my pre-college education, so I didn't have as much in-your-face evolution in my formative years.

I'm glad the Holy Spirit guided you to the truth.

I will bring this up, not as a doctrinal issue but to consider... if evolution is undermining the truth of our Creator from a secular standpoint, then the violation of the seventh day Sabbath, which is the only reference to God as our Creator in the Decalogue, is undermining Him from a spiritual standpoint. Don't think Satan is satisfied to destroy our knowledge of God the Creator on only one front...

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

How convenient that you ignore the many layers of fossils within the sediments of the MANY floods over many years.

So you can show us that there were many floods and not just one? How so?

 

[Hoghead1]

Look, Extraneous, this is about you. You have presented your opinions. OK, fine. But they are up for grabs. They are subject to criticism. You have to own what you say.

 

[Extraneous]

Look, Extraneous, this is about you. You have presented your opinions. OK, fine. But they are up for grabs. They are subject to criticism. You have to own what you say.

Stop being ridiculous. You don't use the regular method of reply. You twist scripture whenever its presented, and dont even present scripture in your defense. Are we to take you seriously?

 

[Extraneous]

A scientific finding is not truth, it is conjecture. Truth is absolute and science is anything but...

So science is not the holy truth of God. Amen, i agree

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

I've said there are no links as in the first mutations, only the fossil remains of different life that lived in different ages. You haven't refuted those fossils nor explained how all life lived at the same time.

There are no links to any mutations that causes one kind to evolve into another... your idea that different fossil remains shows us evidence of mutation is conjecture and not evidence. You didn't see them mutate into different kinds, you just believed what the 'experts' said they did.

And you are flat wrong when you say I use the arguments of unbelievers!!!!! I have consistently said that life evolved from created life. That is NOT what Atheist are saying. Rather they are debunking the story of the Hebrews.

Hows about believing what the Bible teaches, that God formed all the animals and man on the sixth day...

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Try the difficult path of having a relationship with God in the search for truth rather than the easier path of a relationship with a book.

The truth you are seeking is in the Book... your relationship with Him should be built on His Word and never contradict it...

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Rather the opposite...
None the less, seeking truth and testing all things is not possible without evidence.
Often this is scientific evidence, but not necessarily scientific models.

It is written that there is no excuse, because we can see Gods handiwork.

To be fair, experiencing God through His handiwork is not listening to science theories but witnessing nature ourselves through spiritual eyes.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

No, that's not what im saying. Im saying that the love for this world is apposed to God, and that this world is controlled by satan. Only by separating ourselves from this world can we we set free from satan's power. This is not a popular idea in these last days however.

It is a slippery slope when we play upon satans vantage ground....

 

[Hoghead1]

Extraneous, I would hope you and others would take me seriously. But I can't force you to. If you don't want to, then that's your problem. I would also appreciate it if you presented some evidence to back some of your claims here. I am interested in exploring what working assumptions you bring to Scripture, what lens you are viewing Scripture through, and how solid it is. So I don't know where you are getting this "twisting Scripture" part.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Didn't John say that whoever makes himself a friend of the world makes himself an enemy to God?

Yes, but they are saying they are not friends with the world, they just believe what the world says... ...makes sense, right?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

And now satan controls this fallen world. Why would we want to follow its fallible theories then? Dont you see that ToE is yet another deception from the enemy? This world is deceived by the enemy, and thats why they misinterpret data. They cannot see clearly, because their love is for this world, not the next, and not for God. All men are deceived and only Christ can open our eyes. Even Christians get deceived. There is only one way, and that is to forsake our love for this life, and to seek the one to come.

It's no coincidence that the majority of the evolution proponents are atheists or agnostics... great company to keep, wha?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

God created him earlier, since the angels watched as God created the world and they rejoiced (Job 38:4-7). It doesn't say when he rebelled, though. Satan didn't get put in paradise, Adam did. As far as I've seen, he has freedom to roam and even to be in heaven (Job 1) until he's thrown out for good (in Revelation 12).

Satan was expelled from God's presence for good after the crucifixion... he still was able to gather with the other worlds' representatives before God after the fall, as he had usurped dominion from Adam. He is now living on borrowed time as he is illegally squatting on this earth awaiting his end.

 

[Faith77]

It's no coincidence that the majority of the evolution proponents are atheists or agnostics... great company to keep, wha?

I love my pastor, and I think he is great company to keep! C.S. Lewis ain't bad company either! Billy Graham (who is just about more passionate and more successful in reaching souls than anyone last century) ain't half bad either.

 

[Hoghead1]

In science, EastCoast, it doesn't matter what the religious beliefs of the scientists are. The work is valid on the basis of hard evidence, not on the basis of one's religion beliefs or lack thereof. Also, you have not taken a survey, so how do you know who the majority are or what they believe?