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Why do Christians have trouble with accepting Evolution?

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ScottA

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Never said "it's all a pack of lies."

God allows free will mankind to learn and grow in wisdom. Jesus never forced anyone to believe anything.

And obviously the Gods allowed Lucifer to rebel.
I wasn't quoting you, but you insinuate that the accepted word of God is a pack of men's lies.

In any case, you have contradicted yourself: suggesting that the Word of God is not in control of the Word of God in the hands of men.

So...I ask again, which is it? Is God the Word, the Author of the word that shall not return unto Him void...or is He not the Word, nor in control, and powerless to have providence over His word in the hands of sinful men - not in fact [all] powerful?
 
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I don't blindly accept evolution, proof is in the fossil record. However it is fair to say you blindly accept the pseudo-biographical creation story of the Hebrews.

The fossil record has been compromised countless times by flooding. Its unrealistic to believe the stratum has been undisturbed over the course of many thousand years. They may be able to date rocks (if that is not flawed as well) but they cant use rocks to date fossils accurately because flooding mixes everything together. Flooding creates stratum, uncovers it again, and recovers it yet again, countless times. ToE is just too big, and too complicated to say that its anything but a fallible theory. I wouldn't stake my soul on ToE. What does it profit, if we gain the whole world but lose our own soul? Such scriptures are important for us to follow, but if we just discard them and instead follow a fallible theory, then we only hurt ourselves. ToE, like politics and religion, distract us from following the commands of Christ.
 
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I wasn't quoting you, but you insinuate that the accepted word of God is a pack of men's lies.

In any case, you have contradicted yourself: suggesting that the Word of God is not in control of the Word of God in the hands of men.

So...I ask again, which is it? Is God the Word, the Author of the word that shall not return unto Him void...or is He not the Word, nor in control, and powerless to have providence over His word in the hands of sinful men - not in fact [all] powerful?

I don't think I contradicted myself, did you set a legalistic Pharisee trap of some sort? I missed that.

God is God, he is Living truth, the Word of truth. The Bible is written by men about the doings of God as they understood things in the ages they were writing in.

For instance, Paul wrote letters of correspondence to people. He was so well thought of by his disciples in the Roman empire that after he died they made his letters into the Word of God. So they made Pauls words equal to Jesus words. Same goes for the other apostles, men who often stumbled over the teachings of Jesus were "suddenly" struck DIVINE!
 
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I don't blindly accept evolution, proof is in the fossil record.
No.
Why do you think they are looking hard for the missing links, and try to sell us fossils as being missing links, which are refuted later, usually in silence.
However it is fair to say you blindly accept the pseudo-biographical creation story of the Hebrews.
You blindly dismiss it, using ambiguous arguments of unbelievers.
Christ confirmed Genesis, so you must think Christ lied.
 
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The fossil record has been compromised countless times by flooding. Its unrealistic to believe the stratum has been undisturbed over the course of many thousand years. They may be able to date rocks (if that is not flawed as well) but they cant use rocks to date fossils accurately because flooding mixes everything together. Flooding creates stratum, uncovers it again, and recovers it yet again, countless times. ToE is just too big, and too complicated to say that its anything but a fallible theory. I wouldn't stake my soul on ToE. What does it profit, if we gain the whole world but lose our own soul? Such scriptures are important for us to follow, but if we just discard them and instead follow a fallible theory, then we only hurt ourselves. ToE, like politics and religion, distract us from following the commands of Christ.

Jesus never commanded anyone to believe in young earth creationism.
 
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I don't think I contradicted myself, did you set a legalistic Pharisee trap of some sort? I missed that.

God is God, he is Living truth, the Word of truth.
Yet you imply Christ our LORD lied a lot.
And that's where you contradict yourself.
 
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I don't think I contradicted myself, did you set a legalistic Pharisee trap of some sort? I missed that.
So they made Pauls words equal to Jesus words. Same goes for the other apostles, men who often stumbled over the teachings of Jesus were "suddenly" struck DIVINE!

Pharisee trap? You make ToE equal to Gods word. I think i would rather trust pauls words than ToE scientists.

2 Peter 3:15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

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1 Corinthians 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
 
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ScottA, it definitely does not assume that creation is greater than God. That's a totally irrational reply. Where did you get that idea?
The idea is yours. That somehow God is just along for the ride, a mere Captain of the ship He set adrift.
We do experience evolution every day, Berean 777. In fact, we experience it moment to moment. No thinker thinks twice. Moment to moment we are new persons. We are continually evolving. And that happens because moment to moment, we feel an initial aim coming from God to help us become more beautiful. So moment to moment, everyone also experiences God. In the Christian mystical tradition, evolution goes hand in hand with a mystical experience of God.
...You assume that your partial assessment of things is conclusive, not knowing the end from the beginning. And yet, there is One who knows...and you presume to place Him in the role of Ruler only, rather that Creator and also Finisher.

Your position is one perspective only - yours.
 
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Why do you think they are looking hard for the missing links, and try to sell us fossils as being missing links, which are refuted later, usually in silence.You blindly dismiss it, using ambiguous arguments of unbelievers.
Christ confirmed Genesis, so you must think Christ lied.

I've said there are no links as in the first mutations, only the fossil remains of different life that lived in different ages. You haven't refuted those fossils nor explained how all life lived at the same time.

And you are flat wrong when you say I use the arguments of unbelievers!!!!! I have consistently said that life evolved from created life. That is NOT what Atheist are saying. Rather they are debunking the story of the Hebrews.

No, you do some sort of mental gymnastics in order to conclude that Christ endorsed ALL of the scripture books.
 
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He never commanded us to follow worldly scientists either.
Rather the opposite...
None the less, seeking truth and testing all things is not possible without evidence.
Often this is scientific evidence, but not necessarily scientific models.

It is written that there is no excuse, because we can see Gods handiwork.
 
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He never commanded us to follow worldly scientists either.
Agreed, but I have NO fear of anything science might find about Gods material creation. I take the speculations of science for what they are. But more than just a theory, God is here now among us. Jesus is right here right now in spirit.
 
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Agreed, but I have NO fear of anything science might find about Gods material creation. I take the speculations of science for what they are. But more than just a theory, God is here now among us. Jesus is right here right now in spirit.

You mean Jesus is taught in ToE, dont you? You reject the scriptures as fallible, and you twist what it means to follow the Word as well. Jesus gave us his words, his saying, his commands, and those of his apostles, and all scripture as well, in order to guide us. The spirit guides us using scripture not science. Its fallacy and idolatry to seek God in science, rather than his word, and its to worship the creation rather than the creator, because to discard his word which endures forever and is holy, and to instead seek him in a temporary, corrupted world, that is passing away, is idolatry. Paul says that we look at eternal things and not temporary things. However, you don't accept pauls words as spirit, so you delude yourself over unspirtual ToE.
 
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Its fallacy and idolatry to seek God in science.
But is is good to seek evidence for God and the Bible content using the scientific method.
Reality is consistent with God's Word.
 
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* The crafty beast had already fallen before he began working to trip up Adam and Eve.

* Adam and Eve arrived on earth as two adults, previously educated. They spoke the same language as the beast.

* Life had already evolved on this old earth; Cain and Able made contributions to a religious order. "Flocks" and "fields"???? There were many more people than just Adams family.

* After killing his brother, Cain decided to leave his parents, he fears tribes out in the world. God even agrees, puts a "mark" on him. Cain finds a wife among the Nodites.

* Imperfection of Gods children may be inevitable, but Sin is a choice.
That Satan rebelled earlier and then deceived Eve is not an issue. God created him earlier, too, since the angels watched as God created the world and they rejoiced (Job 38:4-7).

Adam and Eve arrived as adults who were highly intelligent. Whatever they didn't know inherently (from God placing the knowledge in them), they could ask God about. There's nothing about evolution in this. God made His creation very good from the beginning.

Your statement, "Life had already evolved on this old earth; Cain and Able made contributions to a religious order" has no basis in reality. The flocks (which they were not permitted to eat) were likely due to God requiring blood sacrifices for sin (Genesis 3:21), their need for clothing, and the use of animals for farming. Or, who knows, maybe God permitted them to drink the milk. However, eating animals was not allowed until after the flood (Genesis 9:3). Abel's offering of a blood sacrifice was accepted. Cain's offering of plants was not. God asked Cain to offer blood likewise.

Adam and Eve would have had multiple children and they would have had children. There's no person outside of Adam's race--even Eve descended from Adam through his rib. We don't know how old Cain was when he killed Abel. Most likely, Cain married his sister. The implication from the way he is named is that Cain was the firstborn son of Adam and Eve. All of Adam's and Eve's sons had to marry their sisters (or nieces, etc.). The prohibition to marry sisters didn't happen until Moses, which was quite a long time later (after the gene pool degraded for awhile). Adam and Eve and their children had perhaps multiplied widely before Cain murdered Abel and was banished. That's probably why he asks for this protection.

Imperfection and sin is a result of Adam's sin, not God's creating ability or method. You have no authority to say anything else.

* Paul never knew Jesus, he never heard Jesus preach the original gospel, he brought his own Pagan beliefs to the remixed gospel that emerged after the cross. Paul and others are simply wrong to speculate that one man brought Sin into the world. Besides, to follow the story as it is written in the Bible it's more accurate to say "one fallen angel" brought sin into the world.

Paul lived at the same time as Jesus (so he would not have been ignorant of Jesus' ministry), he met Him on the road to Damascus (Acts 9), and He revealed the gospel to Paul (Galatians 1:12), which was confirmed many years later by the the other apostles in Jerusalem (Galatians 1:16-2:9). His letters were affirmed as Scripture by Peter (2 Peter 3:15-16) when he refers to people's abuse of Paul's letters and "the other Scriptures". Paul bashing is a violation of this forum.

Adam was the federal head of the human race so when he sinned, he brought sin on the entire human race. Satan's rebellion was inconsequential to the spiritual condition of man.
 
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Creation Evolutionist = One who when given the choice of the mind of Christ, chooses instead, the minds of men.

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That Satan rebelled earlier and then deceived Eve is not an issue.
Hmmm....
I think it is, actually.
But there's no Scriptural evidence he rebelled before Genesis 3.
Otherwise he wouldn't be in Paradise.
...or am i mistaking?
 
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Creation Evolutionist = One who when given the choice of the mind of Christ, chooses instead, the minds of men.

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Try the difficult path of having a relationship with God in the search for truth rather than the easier path of a relationship with a book.
 
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