Why do Christians have trouble with accepting Evolution?

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*looks at the various parts of the world of Christianity*

*Sees many Christians accepting evolution*

Um....dude....Christians can accept evolution...and they have.

Instead of saying Christians.....you should say, "This is about why anti-evolution Christians can't accept ToE"

Dude, it matters little that Catholics accept ToE, because they will accept anything the Pope tells them to accept. This also isn't about why people who think the Red sea miracle is just a functional story, also believe in ToE. This is about why Christians don't accept evolution. Please explain to us why you believe that although the storms obey Christ, that he didn't actually part the Red sea as well.

 

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Red sea parting is not related to science nor evolution so I can't talk about it here

Im going to try to stay on topic from now on.

And before you say, "Scripture is the topic so Red Sea...Talk".....yes some scripture is related to the topic, particular the scripture that anti-evolution Christians use to justify why they don't accept evolution. That being true doesn't mean everything in the bible needs to be brought up and discussed in the topic.

Dodging the question i see. So you will assert that Toe doesn't contradict Genesis or any scripture, but then you assert that the red sea miracle was just a fictional story? You seem to prove that ToE does contradict scripture.

 

[AmericanChristian91]

Dude, it matters little that Catholics accept ToE, because they will accept anything the Pope tells them to accept.

Accept it isn't just Catholics (btw not all Catholics agree with evolution), but some Orthodox and various types of Protestants (that's me).

So your going to have to come up with a better argument in why many Christians accept evolution instead of saying "Pope says so".

And while the Pope does agree with evolution, there is still the freedom in Catholicism in whether or not to believe in evolution. He doesn't tell his followers that there only option is to agree with evolution.

 

[AmericanChristian91]

You seem to prove that ToE does contradict scripture.

Well ToE does contradict a extreme literal view of Genesis that requires the book to be accurate history. Of course it also doesn't contradict Genesis if you view the book of Genesis as not a history book.

And a hint....ToE has nothing do to with my view of the Exodus.

 

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Accept it isn't just Catholics (btw not all Catholics agree with evolution), but some Orthodox and various types of Protestants (that's me).

So your going to have to come up with a better argument in why many Christians accept evolution instead of saying "Pope says so".

And while the Pope does agree with evolution, there is still the freedom in Catholicism in whether or not to believe in evolution. He doesn't tell is followers that there only option is to agree with evolution.

Ok, i can see that this isnt working. I believe the red sea miracle because i believe that God does miracles through his prophets.

You have said that you don't believe in the red sea miracle because there is no scientific evidence. On one had you say science doesn't contradict scripture, but on the other hand it does. Make up your mind. Where is the scientific evidence that Christ calmed the storm? Don't you need evidence before you will believe, Thomas?

 

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Well ToE does contradict a extreme literal view of Genesis that requires the book to be accurate history. Of course it also doesn't contradict Genesis if you view the book of Genesis as not a history book.

And a hint....ToE has nothing do to with my view of the Exodus.

Yes, science has to do with your view of Genesis, as you have already said. Thats my whole point. Where is the evidence that Christ calmed the storm?

 

[AmericanChristian91]

You have said that you don't believe in the red sea miracle because there is no scientific evidence.

Your grasping at straws because you really don't know why I disagree with you on your view of the exodus.

Btw I never said what you said above.

Lets get back to the topic.

Why do anti-evolution Christians despise evolution?

 

[AmericanChristian91]

Where is the evidence that Christ calmed the storm?

There is no scientific evidence for it. One has to take a leap of faith to believe in it. I believe it happened, but I can't prove it to you with evidence.

 

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Btw I never said what you said above.

Redleghunter asked:

Do you believe Moses by the Power of God parted the red sea and the Israelites walked on dry ground?

You responded to to him by saying:

Does it matter if it didn't happen?

Should our faith all fall apart and we cease to be Christians if it turns out historical accuracy was not the main intention of the exodus story?

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...pting-evolution.7940436/page-59#post-69483358

 

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There is no scientific evidence for it. One has to take a leap of faith to believe in it. I believe it happened, but I can't prove it to you with evidence.

Likewise, you cant prove the flood either, nor the 7 day creation. However we are fools for believing in that rather than ToE. We are however not fools for believing Christ calmed the storm.

 

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The next time an atheist or Christian says there is no scientific evidence for the flood or the Exodus, i'm going to boast about the Lords miracles. I will talk about how he calmed the storm as well. I will boast about the Lord and see who laughs.

 

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Jeremiah 9:22 Speak, “Thus says the Lord:

‘Even the carcasses of men shall fall as refuse on the open field,
Like cuttings after the harvester,
And no one shall gather them.’”
23 Thus says the Lord:

“Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom,
Let not the mighty man glory in his might,
Nor let the rich man glory in his riches;
24 But let him who glories glory in this,
That he understands and knows Me,
That I am the Lord, exercising loving kindness, judgment, and righteousness in the earth.
For in these I delight,” says the Lord.

 

[Armoured]

Why do anti-evolution Christians despise evolution?

My personal theory is because their faith is weak, they can only conceive of a god with tweezers and magnifying glass, rather than a God who works across billion year timescales.

 

[Armoured]

The next time an atheist or Christian says there is no scientific evidence for the flood or the Exodus, i'm going to boast about the Lords miracles. I will talk about how he calmed the storm as well. I will boast about the Lord and see who laughs.

I don't think you are using "scientific evidence" correctly.

 

[SteveB28]

No, dont withdraw, im fine with you showing how science exalts itself above God.

No. Science completely ignores the concepts of gods.

Its the truth that i have been trying to show anyway. Holiness is not irrelevant, but its the sole purpose of man.

Sorry, it doesn't appear to be.

The evidence doesn't point to me being wrong because God causes mankind to be deceived by a great delusion when they refuse to give him glory. Its only a flawed interpretation of evidence that you have, that however doesn't prove anything. Without God we will be blind and not see correctly, and will be deceived by a great delusion.

And yet, throughout history, every time there has been a disagreement between scientific understanding and religious doctrine, science has ultimately been shown to be correct.

Every time.

Im sorry to say it that way but its true, I would rather the Church separate itself from this ToE debate altogether and preach only the Gospel. Its not up to me however.

Agreed. Leave science to those relating to the real world.

 

[AmericanChristian91]

Likewise, you cant prove the flood either, nor the 7 day creation. However we are fools for believing in that rather than ToE. We are however not fools for believing Christ calmed the storm.

Difference between Christ calming a storm on a day and the Flood. There is vast amount of scientific/historical/archeological evidence that shows humanity and other species was not wiped out to a very small number. Nor does the earth show signs of being globally flooded.

If in the story Christ calming the storm somehow nuked humanity down to one family, all civilizations wiped out (and majority of animals) even though evidence exists of humans existing pre-Christ Calming and still living beyond that (and signs of animals not facing a mass extinction unlike depiction in the story). Then I would view the story differently then trying to teach me accurate history. I would look for a different meaning of the calming of the storm.

 

[Extraneous]

Difference between Christ calming a storm on a day and the Flood. There is vast amount of scientific/historical/archeological evidence that shows humanity was not wiped out to a very small number. Nor does the earth show signs of being globally flooded.

If in the story Christ calming the storm somehow nuked humanity down to one family, all civilizations wiped out (and majority of animals) even though evidence exists of humans existing pre-Christ Calming and still living beyond that (and animals not facing a mass extinction unlike depiction in the story). Then I would view the story differently then trying to teach me accurate history. I would look for a different meaning of the calming of the storm.

It depends on who interprets the data. God never asked us to seek proof, but only to believe. Who are ToE proponents then, to tell us that we must look at the evidence found in mans wisdom? Who is man without God but a blind guide of the blind? I'm not worried that the bible doesn't agree with their "interpretation" of evidence. They will laugh at me over Christ anyway. They wont accept the miracles of Christ either. Next they will be teaching that those miracles were only fictional stories as well. I'm not worried about agreeing with the world. I'm only worried about being of one mind with Christ and the brethren. That however requires holiness, a separation from mans interpretations of what he thinks he sees.

 

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Agreed. Leave science to those relating to the real world.

The real world? You have blinded yourself because you refuse to give God glory. How can you possibly interpret data correctly, which pertains to the mystery of mans origin?

 

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I don't think you are using "scientific evidence" correctly.

I dont believe the world is either.

 

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My personal theory is because their faith is weak, they can only conceive of a god with tweezers and magnifying glass, rather than a God who works across billion year timescales.

If the theory was not so flawed i might be inclined to consider that possibility, but i cannot because the theory is very flawed. I sure wont build my understanding of scripture around a flawed scientific theory.