Why do Christians have trouble with accepting Evolution?

[Hoghead1]

That isn't a relevant point, Extraneous. Also note carefully: All you have offered here is "man's wisdom,' your opinion based on the teachings of certain church fathers. So it does not necessary follow at all that you are speaking via the Spirit. Every Christian should stop and carefully test everything out before they assume they are speaking via the Spirit.

 

[Hoghead1]

That's a very good point, AmericanChristian, one that I have stressed many times here. However, the mods do very little about this, even though I have made numerous reports and will continue to do so.

 

[Hoghead1]

Look, Iam, your post is totally inappropriate on this site. It is against the rules for you to cast dispersion on the character of your "opponents" and fellow Christians who may not share your views. So far all you have done is exploit this site as a place for you to fire away lusty salvos of anti-intellectual inflammatory rhetoric denouncing the sins of modern science, writing it all off as a thing of the Devil, and condemning to Hell all the poor souls of your fellow Christians who were unfortunate enough to disagree with your supposedly inerrant dogmas. That breaks every single rule of this forum and of any serious theological discussion.

 

[Hoghead1]

Are you actually a theologian, Breckmin? I'm curious about your credentials. The reason I ask is that I am also a theologian and into textural criticism. I have a doctorate in theology, which I earned via a conjoint program between a major seminary and university. I thought of doing my doc in biblical studies, but eventually decided on theology.

 

[Hoghead1]

No, I haven't, Breckman. What's it about?

 

[Hoghead1]

It really depends, Jlhbr, on how much endurance you have. It also depends on how long you can maintain your cool. Several on this site don't know how to be cool and participate in a theological discussion. As long as they continue to break the rules, I am going to confront them that they are braking the rules. Whether a consensus is reached or not, discussions are valuable, an opportunity to sharpen up your POV and writing skills.

 

[SteveB28]

That's just their bluff.
You can not test speciation over millions of years.
The fossil record doesn't help the idea either.

We don't have to wait that long. Speciation has been observed in the laboratory and in the field. In real time.

 

[Extraneous]

It really depends, Jlhbr, on how much endurance you have. It also depends on how long you can maintain your cool. Several on this site don't know how to be cool and participate in a theological discussion. As long as they continue to break the rules, I am going to confront them that they are braking the rules. Whether a consensus is reached or not, discussions are valuable, an opportunity to sharpen up your POV and writing skills.

No, that's not it at all. Its about edification. Its not about provoking each other till someone loses their cool. Galatians 5:26

ITs also about fellowship in spiritual things, not worldly things like ToE. You seem to have no concept on one mind and one body, and edification.

Thats the light hoghead.

 

[Hieronymus]

We don't have to wait that long. Speciation has been observed in the laboratory and in the field. In real time.

Obviously i mean a kind changing into another kind, when new traits are added.
It is well established that organisms can adapt to their environment, and this is what we can observe.
This is about DNA implication, not the changing of DNA.
Yes, mutations may survive too, that's how we get hereditary diseases.

 

[jlhbr100]

About the last sentence, Hoghead- That's pretty much why I tried my hand at the debate when I had common ground with him/her (wishing this didn't cause so much division) and I had a chance to offer an answer (I don't understand why Christians don't discard evolution) . I'm just a little conflict shy

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Obviously i mean a kind changing into another kind, when new traits are added.
It is well established that organisms can adapt to their environment, and this is what we can observe.
This is about DNA implication, not the changing of DNA.
Yes, mutations may survive too, that's how we get hereditary diseases.

How are you defining "kind" in this context?

 

[BobRyan]

To the best of my understanding, science is not supposed to operate like religion and politics.

True and it would be great if science did not get into religion of atheism and try to promote it ... -- but in the case of the topic of this thread - that is what happened in the with evolutionism -- even Darwin admitted that the doctrine on origins found in evolutionism - is not at all compatible with the Gospel, the Bible... Christianity.

 

[BobRyan]

How are you defining "kind" in this context?

Something a great deal more than "a bacteria and a self-replicating prion" - as it turns out.

So then - fully formed human - upright, intelligent humans on day 6 - along with all the other "kinds" - but humans being an example of "one". Two humans to be precise - having the full capability of language, abstract thought, able to live independently from day-1 of life.

So then - far more than a prion, a bacteria, a zygote, an infant, or even a low-brow grunting cave dwelling hominid.

you know... the stuff that an atheist would not go along with - but it is key to the Gospel.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[SteveB28]

Obviously i mean a kind changing into another kind, when new traits are added.
It is well established that organisms can adapt to their environment, and this is what we can observe.
This is about DNA implication, not the changing of DNA.
Yes, mutations may survive too, that's how we get hereditary diseases.

Speciation involves crossing of the species barrier. It has been observed in both the laboratory and the field. You should do some research.

 

[SteveB28]

True and it would be great if science did not get into religion of atheism and try to promote it ... -- but in the case of the topic of this thread - that is what happened in the with evolutionism -- even Darwin admitted that the doctrine on origins found in evolutionism - is not at all compatible with the Gospel, the Bible... Christianity.

Yes, Darwin found some of his beliefs challenged by what he observed. So what?

That's one of the effects of reality - it frequently results in us changing our thinking.

 

[BobRyan]

About the last sentence, Hoghead- That's pretty much why I tried my hand at the debate when I had common ground with him/her (wishing this didn't cause so much division) and I had a chance to offer an answer (I don't understand why Christians don't discard evolution) . I'm just a little conflict shy

Well the good news is that many of us do - totally discard evolutionism's doctrine on origins.

Evolutionism claims that a "pile of dirt will sure-enough turn into a rabbit over time - given a sufficiently large pile of dirt and a sufficiently long period of time".

So then - not at all what we find in the Christian Bible -- nor what we find in the Gospel.

 

[Hoghead1]

Well, OK, Jhlbr. If you are conflict shy, then debate and discussion groups really aren't for you. No problem, no sin. Some people aren't cut out for this sort of thing. I am, but I'm one of the lucky ones who was fortunate enough to get a rich educational background in these matters.

 

[BobRyan]

Yes, Darwin found some of his beliefs challenged by what he observed. .

Darwin did not say "some of my beliefs are challenged" -- he said that after working on the problem - he found no way that Christianity could be true given his belief in the doctrines of origins much-imagined in evolutionism.

 

[BobRyan]

Speciation involves crossing of the species barrier. It has been observed in both the laboratory and the field. You should do some research.

Are you familiar with the concept of homologous chromosomes???

 

[Hoghead1]

Then why do you provoke and irritate others here, Extraneous, by casting aspersion on the Christianity and character of others if they don't agree with what you believe? Why do you delight in breaking the rules here?