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Identify This Rock!

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My best guess is that it is some sort of fractured granitic rock with quartz veins filling the fracture lines. Hard to say without the actual rock in my hand.

I know my granite (I live on the stuff) and you've beaten me to it. My thought exactly.
If polished naturally on one side, I'd suspect a glaciation effect, or time spent embedded by running water.
 
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How do you explain the grid pattern? Those lines are too perfect to be natural..


Have you come across the Giant's Causeway, and its relation, Fingal's cave?

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I know my granite (I live on the stuff) and you've beaten me to it. My thought exactly.
If polished naturally on one side, I'd suspect a glaciation effect, or time spent embedded by running water.

Yes, I wish I had it in my hands. From the further evidence that I received I am fairly sure that it is an example of syenite, think granite without the quartz. He found it in Arkansas which is well out of the range of the most extreme glaciation in our current ice age. But he did find it "on a mountain". So it could have been originally from a more uphill location and then washed down in a stream and smoothed a bit so that it has its current softened edges.
 
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Yes, I wish I had it in my hands. From the further evidence that I received I am fairly sure that it is an example of syenite, think granite without the quartz. He found it in Arkansas which is well out of the range of the most extreme glaciation in our current ice age. But he did find it "on a mountain". So it could have been originally from a more uphill location and then washed down in a stream and smoothed a bit so that it has its current softened edges.

Well by on a mountain, I do mean an Arkansas mountain. I'm headed back up there to find a similar rock to get a "fresh surface".
 
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All this talk about a piece of rock that almost fits in the palm of your hand ... and we're expected to jettison our faith in a literal Genesis 1 for faith in science's interpretation of this thing they call the "geological record"?

I don't think so, Tim.
 
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Well by on a mountain, I do mean an Arkansas mountain. I'm headed back up there to find a similar rock to get a "fresh surface".
I grew up in Minnesota and what is called "a mountain" is even less of a mountain than what you have in Arkansas. I have also been in the Rockies and where I live now I can see about 14,000 feet of elevation difference on a clear day. That dwarfs even the Rockies, they do get that high, but in those areas you start at roughly seven to eight thousand feet.

And then I spent part of a summer in the Fargo/Moorhead area. The topographic maps there have a 5 foot interval and there were entire maps without one topo line on them. I was working for the Minnesota Geological Survey then. We were plotting locations of water well on maps so that the drillers log could give us a picture of the local geology. We were looking for one place so we asked a local we were given directions with a couple of turns on them and the directions ended with "it is on top of the hill". I was still in college at the time so I tended to drive a bit too fast and I almost raced by a house that was a whole 5 feet above the local ones. That was the "top of the hill" there.

We were warned that you could measure the curvature of the Earth there and they were not terribly wrong.
 
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All this talk about a piece of rock that almost fits in the palm of your hand ... and we're expected to jettison our faith in a literal Genesis 1 for faith in science's interpretation of this thing they call the "geological record"?

I don't think so, Tim.

AV, it is not this "one piece of rock". It is that millions upon millions of samples gathered around the world that tell us to jettison the myths of Genesis.
 
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AV, it is not this "one piece of rock". It is that millions upon millions of samples gathered around the world that tell us to jettison the myths of Genesis.
Are you telling me they have ... in their possession ... physical samples of the very bottom of the geological record?

Or, as I suspect ... only on paper?
 
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Are you telling me they have ... in their possession ... physical samples of the very bottom of the geological record?

Or, as I suspect ... only on paper?

They have up to over 4 billion year old samples. Why would you think that going back to the earliest samples are needed? You have no valid argument so you are forced to make up a nonsensical one.
 
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They have up to over 4 billion year old samples.
So all they would have to do to admit they're wrong is find a human skeleton somewhere below this threshold ... correct?
 
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So all they would have to do to admit they're wrong is find a human skeleton somewhere below this threshold ... correct?


Absolutely right.
The classic phrase is "rabbits in the Pre-Cambrian" and variations on that.

" "Precambrian rabbits" or "fossil rabbits in the Precambrian" are reported to have been among responses given by the biologist J.B.S. Haldane when asked what evidence could destroy his confidence in the theory of evolution."

The "find" would have to be contemporary with the rock it was found in.
Somewhere in Scotland a steam locomotive is sitting in coal measures waiting to be discovered. It dropped out of sight when a fissure opened up on the surface in a coal-mining area.

Half a German WW1 submarine (UB-46) was also discovered in Turkey during coal-mining operations.
No-one is suggesting that it had been there since the coal started forming.
 
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Well by on a mountain, I do mean an Arkansas mountain. I'm headed back up there to find a similar rock to get a "fresh surface".

There are actually two rocks in the image of your first post. One is the darker color one shown at the upper right corner. It is the host rock. Most likely, it is a quartzite. The second is the big surface shown in the image. It is a quartz-feldspar vein with material similar to the crisscross white lines. Both material in the sample are pretty fresh. It is not likely you can find a sample with a fresher surface than that.
 
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Of course. If it was genuine. So now you have a mission in life, get busy!
Ain't my job.

I'm not the one who came up with this "geological column" philosophy.

And I love what my pastor said recently:

"They say they have evidence that Pharaoh's army drowned in the Red Sea. Who cares? We don't need evidence, anyway. The Bible says it and that settles it."
 
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All this talk about a piece of rock that almost fits in the palm of your hand ... and we're expected to jettison our faith in a literal Genesis 1 for faith in science's interpretation of this thing they call the "geological record"?

I don't think so, Tim.

Nobody expects you to do anything, AV...
 
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Ain't my job.

I'm not the one who came up with this "geological column" philosophy.

And I love what my pastor said recently:

"They say they have evidence that Pharaoh's army drowned in the Red Sea. Who cares? We don't need evidence, anyway. The Bible says it and that settles it."
The problem is that time after time much of what the Bible claims has been shown to be wrong. An all or nothing philosophy in regards to the Bible will eventually result in the Bible being good for nothing for a sane person.
 
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All this talk about a piece of rock that almost fits in the palm of your hand ... and we're expected to jettison our faith in a literal Genesis 1 for faith in science's interpretation of this thing they call the "geological record"?

I don't think so, Tim.
As a child, I found a rock that was the perfect size and shape to fit to my right hand when closed over it a certain way (I used to be obsessed with collecting rocks between the ages of 7-10). It took me over a week of efforts on the playground to dig it out, and I have it to this day. It no longer fits as perfectly in my hand as it used to, given that my hand has grown since then, but I took a lot of joy out of my strange rock, and I have no intention of ever getting rid of it. Not only does it fit well in my hand, but it is a color similar to my skin, and the veins in the rock look like actual veins and arterioles, being pale blue and pinkish red. If I didn't know the rock was solid quartz with veins of different colored quartz, I'd probably want to know what it was and ask people about it. I think this thread is more like that than anything else.
 
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Igneous for sure since we do not see any layering but what mineral I cannot say from your photo...just not enough info to be sure...the lines in the first photo seem too symmetrical to be natural but where it is only a flake of something much larger I suppose anything is possible
 
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