Fossil Record not consistent with Global Flood

[Aman777]

We are in the Discussion and Debate portion of the forum, in the sub-section entitled Physical and Life Sciences. Making a series of unsubstantiated assertions does not constitute debate and it fails as effective discussion.

I totally agree since God's Truth MUST agree in every way with every discovery of mankind or it is NOT God's Truth.

*** What do you mean by asking, when did "this <staff edit> event take place"? There is no event. There are many millions of small single steps. Evolution is a process, not a revolution. What aspect of this do you find unconvincing? Why do you think it is an event, not a process?

I have no problem with changes within kinds. Kinds being the kinds Jesus made and those kinds which God made. What you are claiming is that changes within kinds is driven by the magic of mutations and natural selection in a population over time, which you call evolution. That is FALSE since evolution is nothing more than the reaction between His and Their kinds. You left God out of the equation so your view is Godless. Amen?

*** Do you realise that only a tiny percentage of evolutionists have any professional interest in the evolution of humans?

Those who falsely teach our babies that they evolved from the common ancestor of Apes on our Planet are RUINING those children's lives and teaching them that they are nothing but evolved animals. This is FALSE since Humans were made some 10 Billion years BEFORE the first bacteria appeared in the water on Planet Earth 3.77 Billion years ago.

That is God's Truth which agrees in every way with every discovery of mankind. The entire story is found in Genesis Chapter 1.

 

[Loudmouth]

I totally agree since God's Truth MUST agree in every way with every discovery of mankind or it is NOT God's Truth.

Then Genesis, according to your interpretation, is not God's Truth.

That is FALSE since evolution is nothing more than the reaction between His and Their kinds.

That is just a bare assertion. Where is the evidence for this claim?

Those who falsely teach our babies that they evolved from the common ancestor of Apes on our Planet are RUINING those children's lives and teaching them that they are nothing but evolved animals. This is FALSE since Humans were made some 10 Billion years BEFORE the first bacteria appeared in the water on Planet Earth 3.77 Billion years ago.

Once again, you demonstrate that your claims are not supported by science.

 

[Aman777]

Ever since there has been life, there has been evolution, observably so. Even most creationists admit that new species evolve over time.

<staff edit>men changed the name from changes within kinds to "evolution" which is magic which does NOT happen over time. The changes are driven by the original programming.

*** So your argument is that God couldn't create a world where nature produced us? I've always suspected that YE creationism is merely a lack of faith in God's majesty and power.

YEC, for thousands of years have told us that God created EVERYthing in 6 Days, by FAITH. This is true. The only difference that I show is that we live today on the present 6th Day/Age in the creation of the perfect Heaven. YEC teach that the first day was 6k years ago. As the youngest of the YEC, I show that the first day was less than 6 Days/Ages ago.

Aman:>>The entire ToE is premised on an incorrect view that Human life began on Planet Earth

*** That's a testable claim. Where, in Darwin's book does it say that? Do you even think before you make statements like this?

All of my posts are testable claims. Darwin's book incorrectly presumes that life evolved on our Planet because he didn't know that Human life was made on another world, which was totally destroyed in the flood. Only the people of the last days have the increased knowledge to understand. ll Peter 3:3-7

This agrees scientifically since today's 7 Billion Humans (descendants of Adam) have inherited his superior intelligence AND the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes. This agrees with History since the first modern Human traits can be traced to the arrival of the Ark in Lake Van, Turkey 11k years ago. Here's the historic evidence. http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

The above agrees Scripturally scientifically and historically. Amen?

 

[Loudmouth]

<staff edit>men changed the name from changes within kinds to "evolution" which is magic which does NOT happen over time. The changes are driven by the original programming.

The science does show that evolution occurs over time. <staff edit>

 

[Aman777]

Yes you did. You stated that the theory of evolution is false because it disagrees with the Bible.

How: mutations filtered through natural selection.

When: Over the last 5 million years.

This has been shown to you on multiple occasions.

I have REFUTED (proven wrong) all of your false views which presumes that life was first made on Planet Earth. You, and the <staff edit>men who dreamed up the False ToE, FORGOT about the flood which totally destroyed Adam's Earth. ll Peter 3:6

 

[Aman777]

The science does show that evolution occurs over time. <staff edit>

False since Theories are the best assumptions of the facts BUT they are changeable since there are man made errors. In the ToE the false assumption is that life was first made on Planet Earth. This is totally false. Want proof?

 

[Truthfrees]

MOD HAT ON

Everyone, stop using insulting phrases like:

"Godless"
"Magic"
"Myth"
"Junk"

Treat each other with respect.

Discuss the topic like you are talking to a family member you love even though you disagree.

Also treat the Bible with respect. Do not say anything derogatory about the credibility of the Bible.

If your post is missing it's for this reason.

MOD HAT OFF

 

[Loudmouth]

I have REFUTED (proven wrong) all of your false views which presumes that life was first made on Planet Earth.

No, you haven't.

You, and the <staff edit>men who dreamed up the False ToE, FORGOT about the flood which totally destroyed Adam's Earth. ll Peter 3:6

You don't have any evidence for any such flood.

 

[Loudmouth]

False since Theories are the best assumptions of the facts BUT they are changeable since there are man made errors. In the ToE the false assumption is that life was first made on Planet Earth. This is totally false. Want proof?

No such assumption is made in the theory of evolution.

 

[Aman777]

No, you haven't.

You don't have any evidence for any such flood.

The evidence is the fact that you post which classifies you as a Human. No animal posts since they have NOT inherited Adam's superior intelligence which is like God's. Gen 3:22

The evidence historically agrees with God's Holy Word. You dismiss it because you cannot explain it with the current teaching of Evolutionism. It's the evidence of the SUDDEN arrival of Humans (descendants of Adam) on this Planet some 11k years ago in Lake Van, Turkey, in the mountains of Ararat. The FIRST Human farming began here and so did the History of Human Civilization on this Earth. http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

 

[Loudmouth]

The evidence is the fact that you post which classifies you as a Human. No animal posts since they have NOT inherited Adam's superior intelligence which is like God's. Gen 3:22

Where is the evidence that human intelligence was given to humans in this manner?

The evidence historically agrees with God's Holy Word.

What evidence?

 

[Aman777]

No, you haven't.

You don't have any evidence for any such flood.

Sure I do. In the bottom of Lake Van, Turkey is the largest Spiral landmass on this Planet. It could be the firmament, which protected Adam's Earth from the Water into which it was placed. Gen 1:6-8 Scripture shows that Adam's Earth "clean dissolved" Isa 24:19 in the flood, BUT speaks of the firmament as being totally destroyed, ll Peter 3:6 which is not the same a being clean dissolved in water.

When the windows from on high on Adam's firmament were opened, it released the 450 ft long Ark into Lake Van, Turkey 11k years ago. http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

Could that explain the largest Spiral landmass in the world? Is there something solid beneath the last 11k years of Volcanic sediments in the bottom of the Lake?

 

[Loudmouth]

Sure I do. In the bottom of Lake Van, Turkey is the largest Spiral landmass on this Planet.

That is not evidence for an ark or a flood.

 

[Aman777]

That is not evidence for an ark or a flood.

After 11k years, you're probably correct....BUT....that doesn't explain where the solid firmament which surrounded Adam's Earth, went? The firmament protected the interior of Adam's world from the water into which is was placed in Gen 1:6-8. The physical evidence is there in the bottom of the Lake, beneath 11k years of volcanic sediments which form a miles wide Spiral revealing something beneath the sediment.

The problem is that the current religious theory of what Genesis is teaching is wrong. It's the superstitious view of ancient men who lived thousands of years ago. God hid His Truth from these people until the last days of this Earth. Here is how He hid His Truth in the FUTURE discoveries of Science.

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

 

[Loudmouth]

After 11k years, you're probably correct....BUT....that doesn't explain where the solid firmament which surrounded Adam's Earth, went?

What solid firmament? Where is the evidence for this firmament?

The physical evidence is there in the bottom of the Lake, beneath 11k years of volcanic sediments which form a miles wide Spiral revealing something beneath the sediment.

What physical evidence is that?

 

[Aman777]

What solid firmament? Where is the evidence for this firmament?

What physical evidence is that?

The evidence is the fact that YOU are a Human (descendant of Adam) since ONLY Adam's descendants have inherited his superior intelligence. IF you don't believe me, then give us empirical evidence that Mindless Nature produced Human intelligence in Apes. You CANNOT. ALL you can do is ASSUME, or theorize that your error is true. It isn't. I have God's Word on it.

 

[Loudmouth]

The evidence is the fact that YOU are a Human (descendant of Adam) since ONLY Adam's descendants have inherited his superior intelligence.

Where is the evidence that only Adam's descendants have inherited this super intelligence?

IF you don't believe me, then give us empirical evidence that Mindless Nature produced Human intelligence in Apes. You CANNOT. ALL you can do is ASSUME, or theorize that your error is true. It isn't. I have God's Word on it.

Already gave you that evidence.

 

[Aman777]

Where is the evidence that only Adam's descendants have inherited this super intelligence?

It's in your ability to post and to know good from evil. IOW, to exercise your Free Choice of what to believe. This gives you the superior ability to Judge, which is another name of the Trinity, Elohim-The Judges. We are His children.

*** Already gave you that evidence.

It was insufficient since it showed NO mechanism for increasing intelligence to a level comparable with God's. Gen 3:22 ALSO, please include the identification of the internal organ where this information is stored...and passed between generations over time. Amen?

 

[Loudmouth]

It's in your ability to post and to know good from evil. IOW, to exercise your Free Choice of what to believe. This gives you the superior ability to Judge, which is another name of the Trinity, Elohim-The Judges. We are His children.

How is any of that evidence?

It was insufficient since it showed NO mechanism for increasing intelligence to a level comparable with God's.

Please explain why mutation and selection are insufficient for producing human intelligence.

 

[Athée]

Seems to me the New Testament teaches a global flood am I wrong?

A few of the many Biblical reasons for believing in the global Flood are briefly summarized below. For those who believe in the Bible as the inerrant word of God, these should be sufficient.

1. Jesus Christ believed the Old Testament record of the worldwide Flood. Speaking of the antediluvian population, He said: "The flood came, and took them all away" (Matthew 24:39). Evolutionary anthropologists are all convinced that people had spread over the entire Earth by the time assigned to Noah in Biblical chronology, so an anthropologically universal Flood would clearly have required a geographically worldwide Flood.
2. The apostle Peter believed in a worldwide hydraulic cataclysm. "Whereby the world [Greek, kosmos] that then was, being overflowed [Greek, katakluzo] with water, perished" (II Peter 3:6). The "world" was defined in the previous verse as "the heavens . . . and the earth." Peter also said that "God . . . spared not the old world, but saved Noah . . . bringing in the flood [Greek,kataklusmos] upon the world of the ungodly" (II Peter 2:5). Note also that these wordskatakluzo and kataklusmos (from which we derive our English word "cataclysm") are applied exclusively in the New Testament to the great Flood of Noah's day.
3. The Old Testament record of the Flood, which both Christ and Peter accepted as real history, clearly teaches a global Flood. Therefore, it seems to us that Christians, professing to believe in Christ and follow Him, can do no less. For example, the record emphasizes that "all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven . . . and the mountains were covered" (Genesis 7:19,20) with the waters of the Flood. This must have included Mount Ararat on which Noah's Ark landed, and which is now 17,000 feet high. This was no local flood!
4. Since "all flesh died that moved upon the earth . . . all that was in the dry land" (Genesis 7:21,22), Noah and his sons had to build a huge Ark to preserve animal life for the post-diluvian world—an Ark that can easily be shown to have had more than ample capacity to carry at least two of everyknown species of land animal (marine animals were not involved, of course). Such an ark was absurdly unnecessary for anything but a global Flood.
5. God promised that never "shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth" (Genesis 9:11), and He has kept His word for over four thousand years, if the Flood indeed was global. Those Christians who say it was a local flood, however, are in effect accusing God of lying, for there are many devastating local floods every year.

https://www.icr.org/article/842/

To be a bit more thorough on Matthew, Jesus also compared his return in power as being the same in scope as the Noahic flood. So unless you believe Jesus is only coming back to affect a local area it seems that Christians should hold to a global flood.
“But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left. Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming. But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what part of the night the thief was coming, he would have stayed awake and would not have let his house be broken into. Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
Matthew 24:36-39, 41-44 ESV
http://bible.com/59/mat.24.36-44.ESV