One piece, the Kalam

[Archaeopteryx]

Can the first cause be caused?
No, because then it wouldn't be the first cause.

See my previous question: why is the universe disqualified from satisfying this condition?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Where's the love? Where's the desire to truly understand each other? If I don't see this desire in other's then I will move on.

Please do.

 

[durangodawood]

Can the first cause be caused?
No, because then it wouldn't be the first cause.
Forgive me for not expecting this is way too complicated for you.
I assumed since you can write,you can understand logical reasoning.
My bad...

So not everything that exists needs a cause?

 

[bhsmte]

Where's the love? Where's the desire to truly understand each other? If I don't see this desire in other's then I will move on.

Does love include not questioning a horrible argument?

If it does, you must love being around people who agree with you.

 

[Chriliman]

Does love include not questioning a horrible argument?

If it does, you must love being around people who agree with you.

James 3:17
"But the wisdom from above is first of all pure. It is also peace loving, gentle at all times, and willing to yield to others. It is full of mercy and good deeds. It shows no favoritism and is always sincere."

 

[Hieronymus]

So not everything that exists needs a cause?

Only things that began to exist.....
I wonder how many more times you'll be asking that same question...

 

[Archaeopteryx]

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Only things that began to exist.....
I wonder how many more times you'll be asking that same question...

Once again, for the eight or ninth time, you'll need to clarify what you mean by "begins to exist."

 

[bhsmte]

James 3:17
"But the wisdom from above is first of all pure. It is also peace loving, gentle at all times, and willing to yield to others. It is full of mercy and good deeds. It shows no favoritism and is always sincere."

May want to stick with the christian only section of the board then.

On second thought, it gets pretty nasty over there too.

 

[durangodawood]

Only things that began to exist.....
I wonder how many more times you'll be asking that same question...

I guess I dont understand the word "began" from an outside-time perspective.
Do you?

 

[Hieronymus]

See my previous question: why is the universe disqualified from satisfying this condition?

Because the evidence suggests strongly it did begin to exist.
Even atheists in this field of science agree.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Because the evidence suggests strongly it did begin to exist.
Even atheists in this field of science agree.

Earlier, I posted 3 videos that discuss the sense in which physicists typically use the word "beginning" in cosmology. Did you watch them?

 

[Chriliman]

May want to stick with the christian only section of the board then.

On second thought, it gets pretty nasty over there too.

I've noticed.

 

[bhsmte]

I've noticed.

Yea, where is the love? Where is the everybody agree on everything?

 

[durangodawood]

Because the evidence suggests strongly it did begin to exist.
Even atheists in this field of science agree.

Not true.
There's an apparent beginning, but they all admit they dont really know what other material conditions may have caused the apparent beginning. In no way have they ruled out other material conditions as the "cause".

 

[Chriliman]

Yea, where is the love? Where is the everybody agree on everything?

1 Corinthians 11:19
"No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God's approval."

 

[Hieronymus]

Not true.

Maybe they didn't tell you.

 

[Hieronymus]

I guess I dont understand the word "began" from an outside-time perspective.
Do you?

When time began to exist, what was the cause for it?
What's your problem?

 

[Hieronymus]

Once again, for the eight or ninth time, you'll need to clarify what you mean by "begins to exist."

Look, if you need that to be explained to you, what on earth are you doing in this discussion?
Moreover, am i your teacher of choice to explain plain English to you?
I don't think so.

 

[durangodawood]

When time began to exist, what was the cause for it?
What's your problem?

Cause preceeds effect. Right?
There can be no "preceeds" until time is already happening.