How many creationist here think that atheism and evolution go together?

[juvenissun]

Planets do not have nuclear fusion and do not produce their own light. They reflect light. Care to try again?

Try what? I agree with what you said.

 

[Chris B]

Yes there is unity and agreement. For example, I am a literalist, fundmentalist and a dispensationist. When it comes to religion and science. If we do not have agreement in any of those three (six) areas, then we really don't have a conversation. Even if the only conversation we have is to try to agree on definitions and meanings. Still without God we have nothing. As six is the number of man. Just as there are seven colors and not six and indigo and violet are two different colors.

Yes, more often than is practiced, a preliminary round of establishing terms and finding common ground is very valuable in founding a conversation that might not fracture due to communication failure, words used in common carry meanings to different, for example.

" Just as there are seven colors and not six and indigo and violet are two different colors."
Now that's fun. Seven is pure convention, and the presence of the term indigo an historical accident.
It used to be far more prominent a term than it is now.
Why not have turquoise (or cyan) between blue and green?

 

[Loudmouth]

If you asked an atheist about the origin of things, they have two choices: 1. Do not know; 2. Evolution.
There is no third option.

The origin of lightning is clouds. Just proved you wrong.

 

[Loudmouth]

It is an origin problem. It IS an evolution problem.
That is the point.

The theory of evolution has no more of an origin problem than the germ theory of disease. If you reject evolution because of abiogenesis, then you must do the same for the germ theory of disease.

 

[Loudmouth]

Yes. Evolution, a Creator, or Unknown.
No other options.
Atheists choose either evolution, or unknown.

The third option is abiogenesis. Atheists who understand science know that evolution can never be the process by which life starts since evolution only concerns itself with how existing life changes.

 

[Loudmouth]

I am still correct. The current evolution does not deal with abiogenesis. Eventually, it still needs to include it when it can.

Evolution doesn't need to include abiogenesis any more than the germ theory of disease does.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Judging by the content of your posts, what you consider me to be or not be, rings hollow.

I do not understand what you are saying. Either you are or are not a literal fundamentalist dispensationalist when it comes to science. I already know of your disregard and disdain for the Bible, the Written Word of God.

 

[bhsmte]

I do not understand what you are saying. Either you are or are not a literal fundamentalist dispensationalist when it comes to science. I already know of your disregard and disdain for the Bible, the Written Word of God.

Your claim, and your burden of proof.

Disdain for the bible? Just more hyperbole on your part. Do you have disdain for every written text you feel lacks historical credibility?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Your claim, and your burden of proof.

Burden of proof is never a problem. Just throw away your dictionary and use mine.

 

[bhsmte]

Burden of proof is never a problem. Just throw away your dictionary and use mine.

Burden of proof certainly appears to be a significant problem for you.

 

[Jay Follett]

Show me, for instance, a martyr for the Invisible Pink Unicorn.

Am I right in thinking that a martyr is a person who dies for their belief? how does dying for a belief make the belief any more true than if they hadn't died for the belief? dying or living makes no difference to the truth of a belief.

Or an edifice erected in his name, or a major holiday, or documentation believed to be authentic.

Are you saying that all the icons, documents and statues to other Gods make the existence of those Gods true?
AV1611VET your thinking is slightly off balance, you attach importance to the wrong things, do you think something is true just because someone has died or killed themselves because they believed it? if you do then every religion that had a war fought because of it was true and there has been countless wars fought over countless religions.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Burden of proof certainly appears to be a significant problem for you.

You wish I had no proof. Problem is I have overwhelming evidence that you will be held accountable for. Because the one thing you are NOT going to be able to do is say is: "I do not know, no one told me".

…2"Son of man, speak to the sons of your people and say to them, 'If I bring a sword upon a land, and the people of the land take one man from among them and make him their watchman, 3and he sees the sword coming upon the land and blows on the trumpet and warns the people,4then he who hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, and a sword comes and takes him away, his blood will be on his own head.…

5'He heard the sound of the trumpet but did not take warning; his blood will be on himself. But had he taken warning, he would have delivered his life. 6'But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet and the people are not warned, and a sword comes and takes a person from them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require from the watchman's hand.'7"Now as for you, son of man, I have appointed you a watchman for the house of Israel; so you will hear a message from My mouth and give them warning from Me.…Eze33

 

[Jay Follett]

You wish I had no proof.

You don't that's why it's called a faith.

Problem is I have overwhelming evidence that you will be held accountable for. Because the one thing you are NOT going to be able to do is say is: "I do not know, no one told me".

Is that what's keeping you believing, fear? I'm as afraid of your God as you are of all the rest.

 

[joshua 1 9]

You don't that's why it's called a faith.

There is a difference between human faith and God's divine faith. Human faith is powerful and God's faith is even more powerful. Still if all we had was human faith that in and of itself would be reason enough to believe because of the vast advantages of human faith. A good example is the placebo effect. The placebo effect has been proven to be beneficial in every test and every experiment they have ever done. God's divine faith has to go beyond the placebo effect and what can be accomplished with human faith. So even if faith in God is no more beneficial then a placebo effect that still is substantial and reason enough to have faith and believe. If you could get the doctors to confess a LOT of what they do is little more then a placebo effect. Yet this is very effective and often they are able to help the patient to help themselves. Even the benefit from a lot of the surgery they perform is little more then what you would expect from a placebo effect.

 

[Jay Follett]

There is a difference between human faith and God's divine faith. Human faith is powerful and God's faith is even more powerful.

Why would your God need faith?

 

[bhsmte]

There is a difference between human faith and God's divine faith. Human faith is powerful and God's faith is even more powerful. Still if all we had was human faith that in and of itself would be reason enough to believe because of the vast advantages of human faith. A good example is the placebo effect. The placebo effect has been proven to be beneficial in every test and every experiment they have ever done. God's divine faith has to go beyond the placebo effect and what can be accomplished with human faith. So even if faith in God is no more beneficial then a placebo effect that still is substantial and reason enough to have faith and believe. If you could get the doctors to confess a LOT of what they do is little more then a placebo effect. Yet this is very effective and often they are able to help the patient to help themselves. Even the benefit from a lot of the surgery they perform is little more then what you would expect from a placebo effect.

How do you distinguish, between the placebo effect and God's divine faith?

 

[joshua 1 9]

How do you distinguish, between the placebo effect and God's divine faith?

I thought you had a job in the medical field?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Why would your God need faith?

This is all pretty much 101 basic christianity. Faith is a work of the Holy Spirit of God in our lives. Faith is both a gift and a fruit of the Spirit. Kenneth Hagin talks about the Rhema Word of God and the power of God expressed in that. So it all comes down to understanding the difference between what is human and what is the Divinity of God doing a work in our lives.

 

[Jay Follett]

This is all pretty much 101 basic christianity. Faith is a work of the Holy Spirit of God in our lives. Faith is both a gift and a fruit of the Spirit. Kenneth Hagin talks about the Rhema Word of God and the power of God expressed in that. So it all comes down to understanding the difference between what is human and what is the Divinity of God doing a work in our lives.

Bolding mine....

I did not ask why you needed faith I asked, 'Why would your God need faith'?

 

[Jay Follett]

You were asked, "How do you distinguish, between the placebo effect and God's divine faith?"
Your answer was.......

I thought you had a job in the medical field?

We know why but.... Why did you not answer the question?