LDS Why do Mormons think all Christians are in apostasy?

[Ironhold]

But an article in Wikipedia, which was obviously written by Mormon; can be trusted? ,

And how pray tell do you know that it was "obviously" written by someone who was LDS?

The fact that its very existence challenges the official narrative?

 

[Ironhold]

Are you living on the same planet as I ? I have photocopies from books, which were published by your so-called "church" that prove just that! I have the Discouses, I have the History of the Church (earlier issues). They all prove these statements, that was then believed that Jesus and God are polygamists. It is not an invention of apostate Mormons, as you imagine, but an invention of the true believin Mormons.

If you have sources, then cite them please.

 

[Ironhold]

Are she and/or you afraid about the answer, about my deep understanding of LDS doctrines?

No, we're asking you to display some basic netiquette.

 

[Jutta2]

And how pray tell do you know that it was "obviously" written by someone who was LDS?

Every person, every group of people has a certain voice Terminus. And certain, recurring phrases. When someone speaks of "Jehovah God", we know that it is a Jehovah's Witnesses. When someone speaks of the "one and only (true) church", it is a Mormon most likely.
The article in Wikipedia comes with a high probability, due to the mode and the formulations of a Mormon with relatively good education.

 

[Jutta2]

If you have sources, then cite them please.

I have mentioned some. If You can not accept or want, it's not my problem. I know it's Mormons forbidden to read critical literature, especially when it comes from "apostates". Nevertheless, I ask you to see this material even more precisely; because there are many photocopies of Mormon literature includes:

http://www.utlm.org/other/changingworld.pdf

Have a closer look at page 166 and following

 

[Jutta2]

No, we're asking you to display some basic netiquette.

I am always nice. And I hold/keep (which one is correct?) in a forum am usually the netiquette.
Only, I have noticed that sometimes it is difficult for me at Mormons. Why? Because I've long as they thought and acted, and saw through all these manipulations. And because I had during my membership and found out afterwards; how much and how often the church leaders have their members and the public deceived. An example:
Three months ago I went shopping in a supermarket. There I met two Mormon missionaries. Young men from the United States, a spoke very little German (probably a newbie). I told them that I am a former member of the church, and just about to write a screenplay about my experience with the Mormons. I mentioned here; that it will also be about a case of child abuse, and about how the church has responded: the perpetrators to protect, to threaten the victim (me). The missionary from Utah, who spoke good German, told me that there is no child abuse in his church because so someone is excommunicated immediately. I erklährte him what really happened. He said, I'm lying. while it was the truth.

 

[mmksparbud]

I never said the whole world, God always has a remnant--God doesn't allow for the truth to be lost--but we can reject it. What He proposes he will do. His word will not return to Him void. What He says will be. Lost is a whole big world of difference from rejection. The truth was not lost when the people decided to follow Jim Jones, David Koresh, --it's still there--but they did not do what the bible days---Try the spirits, check it all out against the word. Jim Jones said he was told by God to take another mans wife, to have sex with young girls--so did David Koresh--all against what the bible says. Truth was not lost, it was ignored for what "felt right"--Some man comes up to me and tells me God told him to have children with my 14 year old daughter I would just about castrate the fool. Thee idiots just hand their children over. Someone tells me God told him I am to give him all my money ---I would give him a swift kick in the pants---these people don't question, don't seek the truth. If something goes against the 10 commandments, forget it--I ain't about to do it. If someone tells me that an angel told him there were golden plates, he dug them up and he had to translate them and then the angel took the plates back---I'd tell him to put a sock in it. If an angel told me anything, I would test if it was of God because that is what God said to do. An angel tells me Adam and Eve existed before they were created, I'd ask God to shut that angel up and cast him into the sea for the bible clearly says God formed Adam and Eve and breathed life into them and they became a living soul. The truth is there, and God is not going to go against it. New light must not contradict what is already there. If my beloved mother comes back from the dead to tell me anything I would turn away for the bible says the dead know not anything (among many other things about the dead)--a great big, brilliantly lit angel says he is from God and I am to believe that Obama is the new High Priest---I'd scream "get thee behind me Satan"--

 

[civilwarbuff]

So, do you believe that could be mass deception and lost of faith due to the wolves of Satan?

Not possible, certain. We are warned of it....

 

[civilwarbuff]

Kitts I don't know how long you have been away from the church but I think you have forgotten things and remembering from anti Mormon websites is not a good resource. Almost all of you posts are questions and answers from thes sites. The only one that was original was about you uncle/aunt. No please start your own thread before someone reports you and you get punished for it

Just a heads up....the moderators take threats to report someone seriously.....it is looked at as harrassment. They say report someone or not but dont threaten them with it.....just a heads up.

 

[fatboys]

Just a heads up....the moderators take threats to report someone seriously.....it is looked at as harrassment. They say report someone or not but dont threaten them with it.....just a heads up.

I'm not threatening him. I don't want him to get banned.

 

[Ironhold]

Every person, every group of people has a certain voice Terminus. And certain, recurring phrases. When someone speaks of "Jehovah God", we know that it is a Jehovah's Witnesses. When someone speaks of the "one and only (true) church", it is a Mormon most likely.
The article in Wikipedia comes with a high probability, due to the mode and the formulations of a Mormon with relatively good education.

...And your evidence of this is...?

 

[Ironhold]

I know it's Mormons forbidden to read critical literature,

[citation needed]

 

[Ironhold]

I am always nice. And I hold/keep (which one is correct?) in a forum am usually the netiquette.
Only, I have noticed that sometimes it is difficult for me at Mormons. Why? Because I've long as they thought and acted, and saw through all these manipulations. And because I had during my membership and found out afterwards; how much and how often the church leaders have their members and the public deceived. An example:
Three months ago I went shopping in a supermarket. There I met two Mormon missionaries. Young men from the United States, a spoke very little German (probably a newbie). I told them that I am a former member of the church, and just about to write a screenplay about my experience with the Mormons. I mentioned here; that it will also be about a case of child abuse, and about how the church has responded: the perpetrators to protect, to threaten the victim (me). The missionary from Utah, who spoke good German, told me that there is no child abuse in his church because so someone is excommunicated immediately. I erklährte him what really happened. He said, I'm lying. while it was the truth.

And how does any of this relate to people asking you to start a separate thread so as not to further derail the conversation here?

 

[ToBeLoved]

What do you see as difference between the whole world rejecting the truth, versus the whole world losing the truth?

Loosing the truth would be like if the Bible were lost for 1500 years. There were no copies, no way to find it.

Rejecting the truth is having the truth avaialble to you, just making a choice not to seek it.

 

[ToBeLoved]

God and Jesus are polygamists??????---Is this for real???? Is this an offshoot sect of Mormons??? I am stunned.

What stuns me is if and it is not, but if it were that would mean that Jesus would abandon His wife and children knowing He was going to die.

This is considered straight up blasphemy by any Christian. This is considered to be insulting to us.
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Paul is very clear in the epistles what is needed to be an elder of a Christian church Biblically. One of those criteria is married to one wife. Right in the Bible.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Mormons believes this stuff for more than 7 decades. They teach another gospel than our savior and his apostles did.

Which is why a word like restored Chrisitanity is a falsehood. Very false.

 

[ToBeLoved]

More fun though having a nice glass of wine (or 2) and a steak!

Like someone said above, its not what goes into your mouth that is bad for you but what comes out of it!

God made all these good things for us to enjoy within moderation. Except smoking obviously!

Mark 7:14-23
14 And he called the people to him again, and said to them, “Hear me, all of you, and understand: 15 there is nothing outside a man which by going into him can defile him; but the things which come out of a man are what defile him.”17 And when he had entered the house, and left the people, his disciples asked him about the parable. 18 And he said to them, “Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a man from outside cannot defile him, 19 since it enters, not his heart but his stomach, and so passes on?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.) 20 And he said, “What comes out of a man is what defiles a man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, fornication, theft, murder, adultery, 22 coveting, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within, and they defile a man.”

My cousin and aunt are Oneness Pentecostals and they are very holy in what they do (bad word to use, but can't think of another) much the same as our discussion. Many wear it on their sleeves like it's martyrdom. It can be a way to be in judgement of others by what someone does not do, as much as a judgment could be what one does do.

 

[mmksparbud]

What stuns me is if and it is not, but if it were that would mean that Jesus would abandon His wife and children knowing He was going to die.

Not just that, but it was required before marriage for a man to build his espoused a home. Then he could not work, nor go to war, for one solid year--he was to stay home and make her happy!--

Deu 24:5 When a man hath taken a new wife, he shall not go out to war, neither shall he be charged with any business: but he shall be free at home one year, and shall cheer up his wife which he hath taken.

Jesus knew He came to die, He is going to spend His time building a house for some woman and take a year off to make her happy and then dump her, spend all his time with 12 other men and travel around preaching with and all His flowerers?? So, is there more than one Mother god, like several?---OK--she said this is not doctrine and she doesn't believe He was married---may not be doctrine, but how many believe this anyway?? There are actually non-Mormons out there that believe He was married to Mary and had children with her---they usually are not Christians to begin with. I mean they did make a movie of it. Not that there would have been anything wrong with being married however, it makes no sense whatsoever, and there is absolutely no indication of any such thing and that is not what He came to do---He knew from the age of 12 what His path was. It's just plain stupid.

Luk_2:49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?

 

[fatboys]

What stuns me is if and it is not, but if it were that would mean that Jesus would abandon His wife and children knowing He was going to die.

This is considered straight up blasphemy by any Christian. This is considered to be insulting to us.
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Paul is very clear in the epistles what is needed to be an elder of a Christian church Biblically. One of those criteria is married to one wife. Right in the Bible.

And that one woman should be silent in church.

 

[Ironhold]

And that one woman should be silent in church.

*notes the crickets in response to that one*

Yeah, if we're going hardcore into the Pauline epistles then it's sinful to have women as ministers.

...Unless, of course, someone wants to try and explain how *that* portion of Paul's words don't apply...