LDS Why do Mormons think all Christians are in apostasy?

[Jutta2]

That I understand. All of us have weaknesses and faults that we are born with. Your uncle has his and even though he was married a and a high priest he still does not qualify for outer darkness. But our bodies are temples of God and we should not damage them. If he thinks he should have been a woman that will be taken into account at the judgement. As far as the church is concerned he desiccated his body. He will and should be exed. He can still go to church and participate but I'm afraid people will feel uncomfortable around him.

I say only uncle to show their change. For me, she's my aunt. Pure and simple.
When she wanted to go to church, the bishop issued her ban. I could go, my aunt not! And so I remained away from the Church. At her home, we talked about it. Unlike my aunt, I had no understanding of this behavior. In Germany there is a law that protects transgender people from discrimination. Also says the German Constitution that no one may be favored or discriminated against on grounds of sex.
No one was allowed to speak by the Mormons with her, not even her own family.
LDS the "church of Christ? No, the opposite.

 

[Jutta2]

The church has no opinion on this but they did call Jesus rabbi

A rabbi in Judaism was married to a woman, not multiple. In addition, there were rabbis who did not get married. A very famous rabbi once said that he did not marry because he is married to the Torah.

 

[Jutta2]

I don't think so

Belief, whatever you want to believe. It does not change the facts.

 

[Jutta2]

People have their opinions. Interesting huh but not doctrine if the church.

Fatboy, you make me laugh. Thanks, you have made my day (which was crappy). About 7 decades, this idea that God and Jesus were Polygamists were part of Mormon doctrine. By 1850, about, it was just taught to a few confidants(the apostles and some others), then, to about 1895, to all Mormons. The non-Mormon public was little said about it. Read your History of the Church, your Journal of Discourses, and several brochures about this doctrine. i have some copies from a book, published by former Mormons. which can show you the original.

 

[Jutta2]

Mainstream Christians,
Do you guys want to have a rational discussion?
Or do you want to just spend the thread insulting people?

Oh Jane!
If someone shows Mormons their faults and weaknesses in their theology or church history, then not to do someone hurt or offend, but to make the Mormon attention. All the evidence that were cited in this forum for or against the LDS theology, prove only one thing: Mormonism is a fraud, a hoax, and people should neither donate money nor time for the LDS. It is wasted.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Oh Jane!
If someone shows Mormons their faults and weaknesses in their theology or church history, then not to do someone hurt or offend, but to make the Mormon attention. All the evidence that were cited in this forum for or against the LDS theology, prove only one thing: Mormonism is a fraud, a hoax, and people should neither donate money nor time for the LDS. It is wasted.

Jutta,
The posts you have been spamming throughout this thread are completely off-topic, factually incorrect, completely ignores what people are trying to say to you, and dripping with un-Christ-like slander. If you want to argue all this other stuff to "show how Mormons their faults and weaknesses", then start a new thread on the matter. Your English is fine.

 

[Ironhold]

Do you have documentation for that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_..._Christ_of_Latter-Day_Saints_v._United_States

This was among the last of the legal battles the church fought, and came shortly before Official Declaration #1.

I heard today, that Mormons think Jesus had three wives. Is this true?

This is false, and whoever told it to you obviously cannot be trusted as a source.

 

[Ironhold]

I don't buy that.

Basically, even though the priesthood in concept has always existed, it hasn't always existed among humanity because the last people who had the proper authority died before they could pass it on.

 

[Ironhold]

God and Jesus are polygamists??????---Is this for real???? Is this an offshoot sect of Mormons??? I am stunned.

No, it's just the usual anti-Mormon shock tactics spread by folks like Decker.

 

[mmksparbud]

Basically, even though the priesthood in concept has always existed, it hasn't always existed among humanity because the last people who had the proper authority died before they could pass it on.

O know, you guys think God is pretty puny and ineffectual. He couldn't keep His word intact, now He couldn't even keep His priesthood (His representatives) in tact! Really? What God proposes, He accomplishes. He spoke s world into existence and gave life to a pile of mud and you think He can't Keep His word and priesthood intact??!! When Christ died, the veil was rent and that was the end of the priesthood, the end of sacrifices, Jesus is our ONLY Priest. No one dies before their time, God is in control. When God wants something passed on, He passes it on---like Elijah to Elisha. Like the Priesthood before Christ's death was passed on.

Isa_55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

 

[mmksparbud]

There seems to be 2 versions to Mormonism, the official, public one, and the unofficial, privately practiced one----that is the way it comes across, anyway.

 

[Jane_Doe]

O know, you guys think God is pretty puny and ineffectual. He couldn't keep His word intact, now He couldn't even keep His priesthood (His representatives) in tact!

So is God supposed to force people to believe?

 

[Jane_Doe]

There seems to be 2 versions to Mormonism, the official, public one, and the unofficial, privately practiced one----that is the way it comes across, anyway.

Not really.
However, the Mormonism people practice and believe, is different than the sensationalized "Mormonism" detractors try to pass off.

 

[BigDaddy4]

Basically, even though the priesthood in concept has always existed, it hasn't always existed among humanity because the last people who had the proper authority died before they could pass it on.

Which is completely false. Acts describes several of Paul's journeys and establishing churches and elders/leaders of those churches.

Acts 14:23
Paul and Barnabas appointed elders for them in each church and, with prayer and fasting, committed them to the Lord, in whom they had put their trust.

The lds has no evidence to back up it's claim, nor has provided evidence that "proper authority" is necessary.

 

[fatboys]

I say only uncle to show their change. For me, she's my aunt. Pure and simple.
When she wanted to go to church, the bishop issued her ban. I could go, my aunt not! And so I remained away from the Church. At her home, we talked about it. Unlike my aunt, I had no understanding of this behavior. In Germany there is a law that protects transgender people from discrimination. Also says the German Constitution that no one may be favored or discriminated against on grounds of sex.
No one was allowed to speak by the Mormons with her, not even her own family.
LDS the "church of Christ? No, the opposite.

He is wrong

 

[fatboys]

Oh Jane!
If someone shows Mormons their faults and weaknesses in their theology or church history, then not to do someone hurt or offend, but to make the Mormon attention. All the evidence that were cited in this forum for or against the LDS theology, prove only one thing: Mormonism is a fraud, a hoax, and people should neither donate money nor time for the LDS. It is wasted.

She is asking to start your own thread and not derail this thread

 

[Peter1000]

Interestingly, came the statement that Christianity is apostasy on until much later. Joseph Smith had his so-called First Vision in 1820, which, as we now know, is supposedly wrong. Because Smith told of a previously taken place religious revivalism in his residential area, so it is on the History of the Church. Only, in 1820 there were in the whole district no such revival movement, but only in winter 1823 to spring 1824, also was Smith, like his cousin Oliver Cowdery confirmed then not 14, but 17 years old.
Also, as the Book of Mormon was supposedly translated in 1827, came from Smith, no such statements about the apostasy of Christianity. Not even when the book published Mormon, and was spread. The earliest testimony to dates back to 1833/34, when Smith first vision told to a clergyman.

Hi Jutta2,

JS had his first vision in 1820 and it was in that year that he told his clergyman. So it is from that date he told of the apostacy. Over the next few years that apostacy was made more clear and more clear, but 1820 is the date that the apostacy started to be talked about.

 

[BigDaddy4]

Hi Jutta2,

JS had his first vision in 1820 and it was in that year that he told his clergyman. So it is from that date he told of the apostacy. Over the next few years that apostacy was made more clear and more clear, but 1820 is the date that the apostacy started to be talked about.

History does not support Smiths version.

 

[Peter1000]

He did not found the one that believes He is created and a spirit brother of Satan...

You have just told us which one he did not found, so now tell us which one he did found.

 

[civilwarbuff]

You have just told us which one he did not found, so now tell us which one he did found.

The one that professes Him God....