Did God Create Fossils?

[AmericanChristian91]

Yes, how genius for God's Word to say that He created life when in fact He changed creatures (where they came from, who knows) slightly through mutation and death over millions of years. Human beings were not created in God's Image, but we were mutated from apes! Theistic evolution sickens me.

We are created in God's image and we are also an Ape species....1 of the Great Apes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominidae

Made in the image of God does not refer to our physical form since God's actual image isn't a man. So there is no contradiction in having a common ancestor to the Chimpanzee and also being created by God and him giving us a soul.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

I think I'm gonna exit this thread... People are just too scared to believe a plain reading of Genesis.

Exodus 20:11
"For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day..."

PEACE OUT

 

[AmericanChristian91]

I think I'm gonna exit this thread... People are just too scared to believe a plain reading of Genesis.

Its not because we are "scared".

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I think I'm gonna exit this thread... People are just too scared to believe a plain reading of Genesis.

Exodus 20:11
"For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day..."

PEACE OUT

Genesis 2:4
(4) These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

 

[Riberra]

Correct. But who were the people of Nod ?! Where did they come from ?! Who became Cain's wife ?! Some Bible scholars suppose the inhabitants of Nod were other descendants of Adam and Eve. However, this theory violates the biblical narrative, which mentions no other descendants of Adam at this point in the story. So that theory is based on unbiblical conjecture. Adam and Eve do not have another son until Seth is conceived, to replace Able whom Cain slew, (Genesis 4:25).

Nor is it plausible Cain could even have gone to other descendants of Adam and married or lived with them, because Cain was cursed by God and would have been recognized immediately by any of Adam's descendants because of the mark he carried on his forehead, (Genesis 4:15). Even if Cain returned hundreds of years later, (as some have proposed), the mark would still be evident, and identify him as being banished and cursed. So it's clear, Cain never returned to live with the descendants of Adam and Eve.

So we're left with the disturbing question.. Who were the people of Nod ? Where did they come from ? Apparently, they were not the descendants of Adam, because they permitted Cain to marry and live among them. That seems to me like a reasonable conclusion.

They came from the Humans (Mankind) -Male and female- that God have created on the 6 Th Day....mentioned in Genesis 1:26-28
They were nomads people living of hunting and fishing or eating fruits whatever their stomach was able to digest.They have done what God said to THEM: - Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth,...

Genesis 1:26-28
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let THEM have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he THEM.

28 And God blessed THEM, and God said unto THEM, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

.... an attentive reading of Genesis 2 tell us that Adam..,the garden of Eden and Eve were created after the 7Th Day of Rest...they were isolated in the Garden of Eden from the Humans created by God on the 6Th day for a special purpose...a test which they have failed ...Genesis 3

 

[ClothedInGrace]

 

[stephen583]

28 And God blessed THEM, and God said unto THEM, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth,

Exactly. But why does God instruct Adamic man to REPLENISH the earth ? You skipped right past that one and didn't explain it at all. The word "Replenish" means to fill again, something that was once full, but is now diminished. When the needle on your gas gauge gets near empty, you pull into a gas station and replenish your fuel supply (refill your gas tank), so your car doesn't stop running all of a sudden. What sort of human stock was Adamic man "replenishing" I wonder ??? Evolved man ??? Early hominids ??? The first homo sapiens ???

I mean you got archeological evidence of all these early homo-sapiens all over Africa and Europe. Some of them were very similar to us. They just recently found evidence in South Africa of early homo-sapiens burying their dead. The story was featured in Discovery Magazine a couple of months ago. What kind of animal buries its' dead in a grave ?!

From the examination of Neanderthal remains and their artifacts, anthropologists now believe Neanderthals could communicate using crude language. They also buried their dead with their personal effects.

At one excavation site, a Neanderthal skeleton was found with a flute. They apparently played music, as well as drew pictures on cave walls depicting animals and hunting scenes. Cro-Magnons also exhibited these very human traits as well.

So it's pretty clear (scientifically speaking), there were human creatures before homo sapien, sapien (modern man) appeared on the scene about twenty thousand years ago.

It's equally clear, modern man possessed some intellectual advantage these earlier creatures did not. It took homo sapiens hundreds of thousands of years just to master the skills of fire making, hunting, foraging for food, fabricating clothes from animal skins, and fabricating stone tools.

However, modern man very quickly surpassed these primitive skills during the late Neolithic Period and began working in soft metals like copper, from which he constructed more durable tools and weapons. Agriculture, domesticating animals, (both as livestock and service animals), trade, constructing brick dwellings and walled cities all quickly followed in an astonishingly short amount of time, compared to the million plus years it took for his predecessors to accomplish far less than any of these developmental milestones.

Of course, detractors will post scary pictures of the very earliest hominid skulls and ask everyone if they think it looks anything at all like a human skull. Naturally, the skull and remains of an Australopithicus look more like an ape, than a human.

What they're not going to do, is put up any pictures of Neanderthal or Cro-Magnon skulls, because these look very similar in shape and size to our own, too similar in fact, and that simple doesn't serve their agenda of proving there was only one recent, biblical, human creation, modern man, or Adam and his descendants. Obviously, the archeological record shows they are wrong.

 

[Colter]

The Hebrews who wrote the Genesis story from the vantage point of Babylon, were writing about themselves. Btw, to them all of us on this thread are "Gentile dogs". The authors weren't scientist or historians and the made no claim to be writing "The Word of God" of by any technique of divine inspiration. They wrote in "preacher speak" much like one could here any preacher today saying God does this and that, for this reason and that reason.

So the Genesis story may contain garbled elements of truth about the past, but much of it is exaggerated for effect, God likes us and not those people we killed-kind of stuff!

 

[toLiJC]

I don't disagree about God being "good", but that also doesn't say much. God is not good because God measures up--in behavior or nature (or both)--to an external standard by which "good" is measured. Rather, God is good because God is God; God would be understood as "good" in whatsoever God chooses to do, regardless of how we might perceive the "goodness" of God's actions. So again, if God destroys the universe on a whim, meddles about in its processes to cause pain, or simply ignores it, God is good without qualification.

why is there talk of "knowing God" in the Bible if we anyway know/have Him?!, i.e., for example, what's the difference between believing in God of the world that is both good and evil and being/remaining disbelievers also under the same judgment of that God i.e. if both believers and non-believers know the same world full of good and bad things facing/undergoing the same ills?!, isn't the truth that to know God means to love your neighbor, because it is written "God is love"(1 John 4) and "all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself"(Gal 5)?!, and does the (show of) love include causing/infliction of evil/harm/affliction to/on the neighbor?!

Romans 13:8-10 "Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

so the believers should know God by believing in Him according to His Word/Gospel/Holy Commandments of faith, while the non-believers should know Him by adhering to the good treatment of the(ir) neighbor

then there is a true God high in the "heaven(s)" that never causes evil/harm/affliction to any person and exactly He is the one that should be known/followed/believed/worshiped/served, while the rest of the divine is more or less a manifestation of the "darkness" and should not be followed/believed/worshiped/served

1 John 1:1-10 "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us; ) That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If(i.e. and if in such circumstances i.e. when we sin) we say that we have no sin(i.e. or if we, juxtaposing God and men, say that not the humans are sinful), we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If(i.e. but if in such circumstances) we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If(i.e. yet if in such circumstances) we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.",

1 John 3:24 "he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.",

1 John 4:7-8 "Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.",

1 John 5:20-21 "And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.",

1 Corinthians 1:21 "in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God",

Galatians 4:8-9 "Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods. But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?",

Ephesians 1:15-19 "I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints, Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers; That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power",

Colossians 1:9-20 "we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness; Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven."

Blessings

 

[toLiJC]

If indeed Satan is ALLOWED to do that then you really can't blame humans for being deceived.

i do not accuse any person, but God has the full right to stop the causing/infliction of evil/harm/affliction to/on the neighbor, even by punishing sinners

Blessings

 

[alexandriaisburning]

"No! Scripture can't be literal because being literal is a modern concept!" Whatever man.

I never said Scripture can't be literal. But "literal" to a modern, Western mind is more than likely not the same as "literal" to the ancient mind.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

I never said Scripture can't be literal. But "literal" to a modern, Western mind is more than likely not the same as "literal" to the ancient mind.

How convenient.

 

[Radrook]

i do not accuse any person, but God has the full right to stop the causing/infliction of evil/harm/affliction to/on the neighbor, even by punishing sinners

Blessings

Culpability is determined by such factors as being accurately informed in order to make an informed decision. That's why Jesus said that we should forgive those who don't know what they are doing. Saul, who later became known as Paul, was one of those who didn't know what he was doing when he persecuted Christians under the sincere albeit erroneous belief that he was rendering a sacred service to God and was forgiven.

 

[Colter]

The Genesis story always seemed human and confused to me.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

The Genesis story always seemed human and confused to me.

That's because you don't believe in the authority of scripture.

 

[Riberra]

Exactly. But why does God instruct Adamic man to REPLENISH the earth ?

They were not Adamic man.Adamic man was created in the garden of eden after the 7Th day of Rest.

You skipped right past that one and didn't explain it at all. The word "Replenish" means to fill again, something that was once full, but is now diminished.

The 6 days creation account is exactly about a restauration and a refilling again of the Earth's biosphere...described in Genesis 1:2-31..../the Heaven (Kosmos) and the Earth have been created eons ago by God in Genesis 1:1/

What sort of human stock was Adamic man "replenishing" I wonder ??? Evolved man ??? Early hominids ??? The first homo sapiens ???

I mean you got archeological evidence of all these early homo-sapiens all over Africa and Europe. Some of them were very similar to us. They just recently found evidence in South Africa of early homo-sapiens burying their dead. The story was featured in Discovery Magazine a couple of months ago. What kind of animal buries its' dead in a grave ?!

From the examination of Neanderthal remains and their artifacts, anthropologists now believe Neanderthals could communicate using crude language. They also buried their dead with their personal effects.

At one excavation site, a Neanderthal skeleton was found with a flute. They apparently played music, as well as drew pictures on cave walls depicting animals and hunting scenes. Cro-Magnons also exhibited these very human traits as well.
So it's pretty clear (scientifically speaking), there were human creatures before homo sapien,

These ones were a kind of "proto-humans" ....from time past....before the new creation to replenish the Earth's biosphere the world which is now.

sapien (modern man) appeared on the scene about twenty thousand years ago.

It's equally clear, modern man possessed some intellectual advantage these earlier creatures did not. It took homo sapiens hundreds of thousands of years just to master the skills of fire making, hunting, foraging for food, fabricating clothes from animal skins, and fabricating stone tools.

However, modern man very quickly surpassed these primitive skills during the late Neolithic Period and began working in soft metals like copper, from which he constructed more durable tools and weapons. Agriculture, domesticating animals, (both as livestock and service animals), trade, constructing brick dwellings and walled cities all quickly followed in an astonishingly short amount of time, compared to the million plus years it took for his predecessors to accomplish far less than any of these developmental milestones.

Modern man have the advatage to have been created by God with a soul.Compared to the "proto-humans" from time past which are now among the fossils records...Everything older than about 20,000 years ago are remains of living things created by God from time past.... before our present Age....

The World That Then Was, The First Earth Age

]http://www.worldeventsandthebible.com/2009/11/world-that-then-was-age-of-earth.html

 

[Colter]

That's because you don't believe in the authority of scripture.

Assumed authority doesn't convert untruth into truth or inconsistent into consistent. But Therin is the problem, once authority is established by the men of religion the scripture could say the moon was made of cheesed and adherents would have to consider it.

The religions of authority divide men, the religion of the spirit brings them together.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

Assumed authority doesn't convert untruth into truth or inconsistent into consistent. But Therin is the problem, once authority is established by the men of religion the scripture could say the moon was made of cheesed and adherents would have to consider it.

The religions of authority divide men, the religion of the spirit brings them together.

The Bible is true and consistent, but you don't want to believe it.

 

[toLiJC]

Culpability is determined by such factors as being accurately informed in order to make an informed decision. That's why Jesus said that we should forgive those who don't know what they are doing. Saul, who later became known as Paul, was one of those who didn't know what he was doing when he persecuted Christians under the sincere albeit erroneous belief that he was rendering a sacred service to God and was forgiven.

it is in principle so, but if God always forgives the evildoings of the villains without stopping them, then many blameless and harmless people can suffer from them, you know how police officers quelled riots even without inquiring about who is more and who is less responsible, so God can also quell lawlessness/anarchy

Blessings

 

[BobRyan]

Exactly. But why does God instruct Adamic man to REPLENISH the earth ? You skipped right past that one and didn't explain it at all. The word "Replenish" means to fill again, something that was once full, but is now diminished.

NIV, NASB, YLT, NET... "FILL the Earth". The Hebrew word in Gen 1:28 does not require "replenish".