For all eternity - "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before God to Worship"

[Meowzltov]

This is true no matter if one is pro-Sunday or not.

I think all sides can see this point.

You didn't read my reply with any comprehension. I disagree with you, and have a completely different interpretation of the verses. You really have not yet responded to what I said. You only responded to a part of what I said. You want to try and shove me into your one-size-fits-all box, and I just don't fit.

 

[BobRyan]

]Is 66:23 "From new moon to new moon AND FROM Sabbath to Sabbath shall all MANKIND come before Me to worship"


1. It shows that OT authors and readers had the concept of 7th day Sabbath applicable to "all mankind" in Is 66:23.
2. Reading the text we have admit that this Sabbath observance will be binding for all mankind for all of eternity even after the cross.
3. Is 56 - (same book, same author) is affirming gentiles who keep the Sabbath - as honoring God.
4. It is only when the second coming happens and the New Earth and New Heavens are established in Rev 21 that all the wicked have perished and so "All mankind" will be worshiping God, all will be Christians, all will be keeping the Sabbath not just the "Remnant" or "Israel" -- the "FEW" of Matt 7 keeping it on earth as Christians are by far the minority in this world. And of course at the second coming the man-denominations of Christianity become one united group.
5. And of course while the "new moon" is a physical "event" that takes place on a cycle - God's Holy "Sabbath" is a "practice" a "convention" and "observance" not a physical cycle in the heavens - so to worship "from Sabbath to Sabbath" would require that "convention" to still exist.

This is true no matter if one is pro-Sunday or not.

I think all sides can see this point.

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Heb 11
23 By faith Moses, when he was born, was hidden for three months by his parents, because they saw he was a beautiful child; and they were not afraid of the king’s edict. 24 By faith Moses, when he had grown up, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter, 25 choosing rather to endure ill-treatment with the people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures of sin, 26 considering the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures of Egypt

Matt 17
2 And He was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light. 3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him. 4 Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, I will make three tabernacles here, one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah.”

Luke 9
29 And while He was praying, the appearance of His face became different, and His clothing became white and gleaming. 30 And behold, two men were talking with Him; and they were Moses and Elijah, 31 who, appearing in glory, were speaking of His departure which He was about to accomplish at Jerusalem. 32 Now Peter and his companions had been overcome with sleep; but when they were fully awake, they saw His glory and the two men standing with Him. 33 And as these were leaving Him, Peter said to Jesus, “Master, it is good for us to be here; let us make three tabernacles: one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah”

1 Cor 10
2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 and all ate the same spiritual food; 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ.

The verse refers to after the resurrection, in the world to come

Is 66:23 shows that for all eternity after the cross the Sabbath known to Isaiah - continues to be kept.

It kills the argument that the 7th day Sabbath should not exist after the cross.

You didn't read my reply with any comprehension. I disagree with you, and have a completely different interpretation of the verses. .

as "Pope" Peter said in 2 Peter 1:20-21 your particular interpretation is not applicable but rather what the Bible actually says is applicable. You have offerred to "re-imagine" for us the hidden meaning of the text bent to your bias - while ignoring almost every detail in it.

2 Peter
20 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, 21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

Not only does your own Dies Domini and your own "Faith Explained" commentary on the Catechism admit that the Sabbath Commandment continues for all mankind after the cross...you yourself admit that for all eternity after the cross all mankind keeps Sabbath once the wicked are destroyed so that "all mankind" is in fact obeying God.

]Is 66:23 " FROM Sabbath to Sabbath shall all MANKIND come before Me to worship"

 

[BobRyan]

No where in Genesis is there any command to rest or worship on the Sabbath.

You have "quote you" well - now lets quote God Himself -- to the contrary.

Ex 20:11
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

All past tense
all referring back to Gen 2:1-2 -- "alone".

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Blessed AND sanctified - THEN and there!

But if we use "any ol excuse will do" as our model for Bible interpretation then in Gen 4 we have this -

Gen 4
6 Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? 7 If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it.”

How is this the book of Genesis?

That is pretty sad. ... We see Ex 20:11 specifically pointing to Gen 2:1-3 and "that" is your "solution" ?? Fine if that is what you need to tell yourself to continue to ignore the Bible, your own Pope, your own Catholic Commentary on your own Catechism... etc.


The spirit of rebellion against God can read Gen 4 and complain that it cannot be sin to be angry with your brother or to contemplate murder - because "There is no command not to murder or not to be angry with your brother in Gen 1-3 -- so Cain could not have been sinning".

That same sort of "fluff" can say in Gen 6-9 that the references to "clean and unclean animals" cannot be correct since they are not defined until Lev 11.

What all that any-ol-excuse "fluff" glosses over is that Gen AND Lev were both written at Sinai and both are available along with the TEN Commandments for Moses' readers - they have access to ALL of that information when reading Genesis.

This is not a case of Adam reading Genesis and then later Moses coming along and reading Exodus 20.

Turns out... "details matter" - as we all know.

Hence even your own pope John Paul II in Dies Domini admits that the TEN Commandments - all TEN - are included in the MORAL Law of God binding on all mankind.

 

[BobRyan]

3 simple questions.

For those inclined to be at war with God's Ten Commandments --3 simple questions...
Christ argues this point about the "WORD of GOD" the "Commandments of God" .

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the Commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Christ said "it is a big deal" in Mark 7

1. Question 1 -- In your view - is Christ in Error in Mark 7??

2. Question 2: Eph 6:2 "What unit of LAW" is being upheld by Paul in Eph 5:2 where the 5th commandment "is the FIRST commandment with a PROMISE"?... easy answer.

3. Question 3: Heb 8:6-10 NEW COVENANT "I will write My LAW on their heart and mind" Jer 31:31-33 ---> what LAW of God was known to Jeremiah and his readers?

No, but you believe Paul was in error when he tells us we are not under the commandments that Jesus was. Jesus even told us that He kept His Father's commandments and asked us to keep His. What commands did Jesus give us?

Heb 8:6-10 says Jesus gave us the TEN Commandments.

So when do you want to answer question 1???

2. Question 2: Eph 6:2 "What unit of LAW" is being upheld by Paul in Eph 5:2 where the 5th commandment "is the FIRST commandment with a PROMISE"?... easy answer.
Very very easy, the Royal law of Love.

What is the "the unit of LAW" in what order are the commandments in that "unit of LAw"?? - What list, what order in that LAW" has the 5th Commandment as FIRST (in the list) with a promise???

Answer: the TEN Commandments ALONE!!

Irrefutable.

Or are you calling the TEN Commandments the "LAW of LOVE" since Ex 20:6 says "LOVE Me and KEEP My Commandments"??

3. Question 3: Heb 8:6-10 (Jer 31:31-33) NEW COVENANT "I will write My LAW on their heart and mind" Jer 31:31-33 ---> what LAW?
The new covenant law of love. 1Jn 3:22

Was Jeremiah quoting 1 John 3???

Hint - Heb 8 is quoting Jeremiah 31.

 

[BobRyan]

Even your own Pope in Dies Domini refutes your view.
Even your own RCC commentary on your own Catechism refutes your view.

AND of course a great many pro-sunday scholars refute it.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

And of course 7th day groups

Seventh-day Baptists
Seventh-day Adventists
(and 100's of others)

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All of them admit that the Sabbath Commandment (As with ALL TEN Commandments) applies to Christians today - and all of them claim some sort of change "To IT" to try and get "IT" to apply to some other day - than the Bible 7th day.

 

[BobRyan]

Here is an example of a PRO-SUNDAY source admitting that Ex 20:11 points to Gen 2:1-3... so it is NOT just those that keep the Bible Sabbath 'that can read' that point.


D.L. Moody writes in favor of God's TEN Commandments as do many other Bible scholars and pastors - even pro-sunday ones.


http://www.fbinstitute.com/moody/The_TenCommandments_Text.html

BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY
The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17
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The Fourth Commandment


Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place.
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27)
It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes;

 

[Meowzltov]

you "claim" to debunk Is 66:23 -- yet you never have.

Blah blah blah Bob. I've responded numerous times with a far more sensible interpretation than you have ever offered. Sure, prophets are the voice of God and not "the interpretations of men." That doesn't mean that we don't interpret what they mean. Don't misunderstand that verse. YOU have your own interpretation, this is beyond doubt. And your interpretation is mistaken.

 

[Meowzltov]

Is it your wild speculation that Ex 20:11 is not referring to the Gen 2:1-3 event??

The Exodus verse is directed ONLY at Israel, not at the world.

 

[ScottA]

Is 66:23 "From new moon to new moon AND FROM Sabbath to Sabbath shall all MANKIND come before Me to worship"





Which would be total nonsense as "from 1:00pm to 4:00pm AND FROM 2:00pm to 3:00pm" -- by carefully glossing over the detail "from new moon to new moon AND FROM Sabbath to Sabbath" as clearly identifying TWO cycles - not one constant ... you get to the never-seen-in-the-Bible idea that "REMAIN" is to be wrenched into "from new moon to new moon AND FROM Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind COME BEFORE Me to worship". -- ( as if the Bible ever used such a back flip.)

Even your own fellow pro-sunday scholars admit to this being "two cycles" and not "one idea of -- REMAIN"






Of course they have to admit that this is "two cycles" and not "one idea of REMAIN all the time before the LORD" -- because the Bible already uses that form.

...

1. It shows that OT authors and readers had the concept of 7th day Sabbath applicable to "all mankind" in Is 66:23.
2. Reading the text we have admit that this Sabbath observance will be binding for all mankind for all of eternity even after the cross.
3. Is 56 - (same book, same author) is affirming gentiles who keep the Sabbath - as honoring God.
4. It is only when the second coming happens and the New Earth and New Heavens are established in Rev 21 that all the wicked have perished and so "All mankind" will be worshiping God, all will be Christians, all will be keeping the Sabbath not just the "Remnant" or "Israel" -- the "FEW" of Matt 7 keeping it on earth as Christians are by far the minority in this world. And of course at the second coming the man-denominations of Christianity become one united group.
5. And of course while the "new moon" is a physical "event" that takes place on a cycle - God's Holy "Sabbath" is a "practice" a "convention" and "observance" not a physical cycle in the heavens - so to worship "from Sabbath to Sabbath" would require that "convention" to still exist.

This is true no matter if one is pro-Sunday or not.

I think all sides can see this point.

I am coming in late, and I am not sure what your real point is here...but "cycles" is not what is important in the passage. The point is to say that "from end to end" "all" of those things will take place.

When it comes to this type of interpretation, it is important to understand that God is translating His timeless matters into terms of time, simply for our allegoric understanding: for to us it is a process, but for Him it is finished. Each passage is a form of applied explanation...not a commandment to live according to the allegoric language in observation of "days and months and seasons and years." Galatians 4:9-10

 

[BobRyan]

I am coming in late, and I am not sure what your real point is here...but "cycles" is not what is important in the passage. The point is to say that "from end to end" "all" of those things will take place.

When it comes to this type of interpretation, it is important to understand that God is translating His timeless matters

I am using a "sola scriptura" method for doctrine on this one.

For example -- 'from year to year'

1. Exodus 13:10
   Therefore, you shall keep this ordinance at its appointed time from year to year.
2. Judges 21:19
   So they said, “Behold, there is a feast of the LORD from year to year in Shiloh, which is on the north side of Bethel, on the east side of the highway that goes up from Bethel to Shechem, and on the south side of Lebonah.”
3. 1 Samuel 2:19
   And his mother would make him a little robe and bring it to him from year to year when she would come up with her husband to offer the yearly sacrifice.

We all know that this is not some "timeless jargon about never leaving but staying in Jerusalem" -- as I am sure we can all see.

Thus in Is 66:23 we have TWO cycles - not just one "from year to year" cycle. The TWO cycles are "weekly" from "SABBATH to SABBATH" and also monthly.

This is irrefutable. No amount of "pay no attention to what the text says" work-around is going to solve this.

 

[BobRyan]

.not a commandment to live according to the allegoric language in observation of "days and months and seasons and years." Galatians 4:9-10

Gal 4 is about pagan holy days and one is to be condemned for observing even one of them.

Romans 14 is about the Bible-approved annual holy says of Lev 23 - and no one is "allowed" to condemn others for keeping them.

In your response you attempt to condemn the Word of God in the TEN Commandments as a pagan document/law by applying Paul's condemnation of paganism to the Word of God.

have you read Mark 7:6-13 to see just how that works out???

 

[BobRyan]

Those who choose to condemn this or that part of the Bible often use an "any ol excuse will do" approach -- picking up whatever stone or stick is handy to toss at it.

But that solution is rather short sighted and can often be fully exposed by the Word of God.

I think we can all agree to this point.

 

[ScottA]

Gal 4 is about pagan holy days and one is to be condemned for observing even one of them.

Romans 14 is about the Bible-approved annual holy says of Lev 23 - and no one is "allowed" to condemn others for keeping them.

In your response you attempt to condemn the Word of God in the TEN Commandments as a pagan document/law by applying Paul's condemnation of paganism to the Word of God.

have you read Mark 7:6-13 to see just how that works out???

No, Gal 4 is about the law and the greater terms of bondage regarding the captives whom Christ came to set free, i.e. those whom were "lost" among the days and times of the bondage of this world...as I said.

I am not attempting anything that you suggest I am.

 

[ScottA]

I am using a "sola scriptura" method for doctrine on this one.

For example -- 'from year to year'

1. Exodus 13:10
   Therefore, you shall keep this ordinance at its appointed time from year to year.
2. Judges 21:19
   So they said, “Behold, there is a feast of the LORD from year to year in Shiloh, which is on the north side of Bethel, on the east side of the highway that goes up from Bethel to Shechem, and on the south side of Lebonah.”
3. 1 Samuel 2:19
   And his mother would make him a little robe and bring it to him from year to year when she would come up with her husband to offer the yearly sacrifice.

We all know that this is not some "timeless jargon about never leaving but staying in Jerusalem" -- as I am sure we can all see.

Thus in Is 66:23 we have TWO cycles - not just one "from year to year" cycle. The TWO cycles are "weekly" from "SABBATH to SABBATH" and also monthly.

This is irrefutable. No amount of "pay no attention to what the text says" work-around is going to solve this.

...But...you are reading into the text, what isn't there, and addressing something it is not about.

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said: ↑
Is it your wild speculation that Ex 20:11 is not referring to the Gen 2:1-3 event??
The Exodus verse is directed ONLY at Israel, not at the world.

The Exodus verse is directed ONLY at Israel, not at the world.

Sadly for that wild speculation - Christ said "The Sabbath was MADE for mankind" Mark 2:27 --
And even your own Pope John Paul II admitted it in Dies Domini.

Even more unfortunate for that speculation - Ex 20:11 DOES directly speak to Gen 2:1-3 saying that then in Gen --- God "MADE it Holy".

Ex 20
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

The SAME word found in BOTH Ex 20:11 AND in Gen 2:1-3

Gen 2:
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

There are "any ol excuse" solutions out there that would argue that

1. "Jesus is not supposed to know that the Sabbath was MADE for mankind" Mark 2:27 because that exact quote is not in Ex 20 or Gen 2.

2. "In Ex 20:11 God is not supposed to KNOW that the Sabbath was blessed and made holy in Gen 2 because Gen 2 does not use the exact phrase" (Except as we just saw in the quote above -- it does"

3. Cain is not supposed to KNOW that murder is wrong - in Gen 4 because Gen 1-3 does not say it"

4. Noah is not "supposed to know the difference between clean and unclean in Gen 6 and 7, because that shows up in Lev 18"

5. Abraham is "not supposed to know the Gospel" as Gal 3:7 says HE DOES know it - since that detail is not in Genesis.

6. Isaiah "is not supposed to KNOW the Sabbath is for ALL MANKIND in Is 66:23 because that word is not used in Exodus 20"

7. Noah is not “supposed to know about righteousness by faith” Heb 11:7 because those words are not in Genesis 6.


When using those wooden man-mad-rules a lot of the Bible is "not supposed to be there"

 

[BobRyan]

.not a commandment to live according to the allegoric language in observation of "days and months and seasons and years." Galatians 4:9-10

Gal 4 is about pagan holy days and one is to be condemned for observing even one of them.

Romans 14 is about the Bible-approved annual holy says of Lev 23 - and no one is "allowed" to condemn others for keeping them.

In your response you attempt to condemn the Word of God in the TEN Commandments as a pagan document/law by applying Paul's condemnation of paganism to the Word of God.

have you read Mark 7:6-13 to see just how that works out???

No, Gal 4 is about the law and the greater terms of bondage regarding the captives whom Christ came to set free, i.e. those whom were "lost" among the days and times of the bondage of this world...as I said.

Simple - easy questions.

1. Does Romans 14 allow anyone to condemn someone for their observance of Bible holy days?

ANSWER: Rom 14
4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
5 One person regards one day above another, another regards every day. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, ..
10 But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. 11 For it is written,
“As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall give praise to God.”
12 So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God.
13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this—not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother’s way. .. 22 The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.

2. Does Galatians 4 ALLOW even ONE observance of pagan holy days?

ANSWER: Gal 4
3 So also we, while we were children, were held in bondage under the elemental things of the world....
8 However at that time, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are no gods. 9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain.

Paul's argument to the gentile church of Galatia -- to the former pagans - is that they NOT return again to their pagan ways - the ways of those who were not at all serving God.

By Contrast in Romans 3 - the JEWS have the actual BIBLE "The oracles of God" Rom 3:1 and as Christ said in John 4 "YOU worship what you do not know - WE worship what we know - for SALVATION is of the JEWS".

Neither Christ nor Paul - refer to the Word of God as "paganism".

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So then the answer to those TWO very simple question makes it clear that we cannot use the Gal 4 condemnation of "returning again" to paganism - as if the BIBLE were "paganism" -- Romans 14 does not allow such condemnation of Bible holy days.

This is irrefutable.

 

[BobRyan]

THREE easy questions - where we all can see that Christ does NOT equate the Word of God - to "paganism"

hrist argues this point about the "WORD of GOD" the "Commandments of God" .

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the Commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Christ said "it is a big deal" in Mark 7

1. Question 1 -- In your view - is Christ in Error in Mark 7??

2. Question 2: Eph 6:2 "What unit of LAW" is being upheld by Paul in Eph 5:2 where the 5th commandment "is the FIRST commandment with a PROMISE"?... easy answer.

3. Question 3: Heb 8:6-10 NEW COVENANT "I will write My LAW on their heart and mind" Jer 31:31-33 ---> what LAW of God was known to Jeremiah and his readers?

 

[Meowzltov]

Your own RCC claims the TEN Commandments - including the Sabbath commandment is specifically NOT limited to "just jews" - at the very least you should offer a solution that is not debunked by your own church.

Excuse me? "My own Church" does NOT believe that the commandment to keep the sixth day is intended for the Church.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Indeed, your tradition and bias have completely blinded you to the what the Law actually is. You vainly think it consists of only ten commandments. You have no biblical basis whatsoever for this, but only Ellen White and her speculations.

Actually they have 11 commandments at least as they (attempt to) keep dietary laws which really makes it very hard to defend against using the 10 as their standard while rejecting most other commandments but 1 or so.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Actually they have 11 commandments at least as they (attempt to) keep dietary laws which really makes it very hard to defend against using the 10 as their standard while rejecting most other commandments but 1 or so.

Although what you say is quite true, they prefer to harp constantly about the ten, keeping the 11th out of sight.