Negative Scientists Fear Aliens and Want us to evacuate Earth

[Rick Otto]

QUOTE="PsychoSarah, post: 69240781, member: 345531"]That would mean that God knowingly makes people that exist purely to suffer.

Not purely.

People with awful lives that, thanks to no exposure to the "true religion", also are doomed to go to hell.

Religion has little to do with it. Read the first half dozen lines of psalm 19. You don't have to have religion to be saved.

There is no justice in a system that punishes on the basis of belief.

Done be rash. If you believe you are free to infringe on others rights, you will be punished.
All justice systems engage beliefs as motive.

Furthermore, there are people such as myself, that want to believe, but can't due to their mind developing in such a way as to not perceive sufficient evidence for the existence of a deity.

Don't worry about it. It isn't as important what the mind is able to articulate as it is to love your neighbor as yourself. That is the second greatest commandment. If you can do that well, I am sure you can be forgiven for breaking the first of those two: love God.

Not saying that the evidence exists, just that I don't view any information I have been exposed to thus far as being sufficient enough evidence for the existence of deities as to make a believer out of me.

Give yourself a little slack. Don't let perfect become the enemy of good. Look how you are here and how hard you are trying. I am impressed and confident you are further along than you realize.

One of the hardest things to make people understand is that what we believe is not fully a conscious choice. For example, unless you are color blind (and thus have uncertainty in what color the sky is) or had never seen the sky, you could never hope to make yourself think that the sky was silver with a gold stripe pattern. Try as hard as you might, but in the end, you will always know that you are lying to yourself. I have been seeking belief for years. To me, atheism is agony; it's a personal problem with being unable to handle mortality.

My sympathies.
I don't believe belief is a choice at all.
Intellectual confidence is not the same as spiritual conviction.
So I agree it is mostly an unconscious conviction that works it way to the surface in behavior.

Do you know the despair of the death of a loved one for a person who believes that death is the end of existence? Do you know the pain of watching more and more people be lost to oblivion, with no hope of ever seeing them again, and no comfort in them being in a better place, or any place for that matter? Do you know the fear of knowing each day brings you closer and closer to the same fate?

My four years older brother committed suicide a few years after graduating from Harvard with a degree in Psychology. Not sure what he really believed, but no reason to ruin what life I have left by being anxious.
I'm trying to endure to the end. Life is a character building experience and we learn to temper our e expectations. Sometimes it feels like a test to see how much abuse you can take without becoming abusive.

If you do, I would imagine it peeks through as doubt in your own faith. That little taste of misery rarely compares to that of a person that honestly thinks it highly improbable that an afterlife exists.

Most atheists manage to eventually accept life and death for what they are, but I highly doubt that I ever will.[/QUOTE]well, we really don't have much to go on as far as what death really is besides the cessation of life in the flesh. But if it is the end, then I am grateful for what of it I have had, and relieved that the bad parts are done and over with.

 

[Rick Otto]

Sounds like, "I beat you so you can learn to appreciate it when I stop beating you..."

Yes it does,... if you give no more consideration than a passing glance.
But you say that as if I hadn't informed you they were beating each other.
If you can finally grasp how wonderful it is not be abused, you have a chance at realizing you shouldn't be an abuser.

Btw, I don't mean to whine, but all I'm getting is negatives here, and i am growing weary of it . If I can't get props for anything at all, I lose interest.
You have about two more posts to try my patience with. If you can't humor me by then, it's been nice knowing you.

 

[Cearbhall]

Stephen Hawking posited that an alien visitation would put Earthlings in the same position as Native Americans when Columbus landed on their shores.

Duh. Any aliens with the ability to reach us would obviously be far superior technologically.

I've read these quotes before and I'm very glad that Stephen Hawking talks about it, though. I admire him.

Hawking is just suffering the mind damaging effects of his illness as he ages.

There aren't any mind-damaging effects of ALS...

 

[dad]

Which verse is that?

Ex 8: 32 And Pharaoh hardened his heart at this time also, neither would he let the people go.

 

[dad]

More than one verse, you say? Indeed:

Exodus 4:21 And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.

Exodus 7:3 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.

Exodus 8:19 Then the magicians said unto Pharaoh, This is the finger of God: and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said.

Exodus 9:12 And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had spoken unto Moses.

Exodus 10:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, Go in unto Pharaoh: for I have hardened his heart, and the heart of his servants, that I might shew these my signs before him:


Shall I continue?

Yes continue to show you miss the point and don't care. The point is...for lurkers who can pay attention...that God allows us to chose. Then after many wrong choices and hardening our hearts He may get to the next stage with some of us. That stage is sealing the deal, and taking away further choices. He did not do that first or for no reason. Pharaoh hardened his own heart first and probably many many times over many years.

 

[dad]

Duh. Any aliens with the ability to reach us would obviously be far superior technologically.

I've read these quotes before and I'm very glad that Stephen Hawking talks about it, though. I admire him.

Chicken little nonsense.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Yes it does,... if you give no more consideration than a passing glance.
But you say that as if I hadn't informed you they were beating each other.
If you can finally grasp how wonderful it is not be abused, you have a chance at realizing you shouldn't be an abuser.

Noting that 1. God does most of the abusing Himself, and the OT Hebrews do it to others at His command, and 2. The cycle of abuse doesn't work that way... statistically speaking, most physical, emotional, or sexual abusers were themselves abused, and Continental the cycle because it was how they were raised.

Btw, I don't mean to whine, but all I'm getting is negatives here, and i am growing weary of it . If I can't get props for anything at all, I lose interest.
You have about two more posts to try my patience with. If you can't humor me by then, it's been nice knowing you.

Props are earned, not whined for. How about we avoid the Christmas rush and you leave now?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Yes continue to show you miss the point and don't care. The point is...for lurkers who can pay attention...that God allows us to chose. Then after many wrong choices and hardening our hearts He may get to the next stage with some of us. That stage is sealing the deal, and taking away further choices. He did not do that first or for no reason. Pharaoh hardened his own heart first and probably many many times over many years.

So what was God doing in those verses?

 

[dad]

So much for being a loving God, if it is willing to cut some people loose just because they use their free will to not be perfect worship robots.

No. There comes a time when after much patience and pleading that some folks are left to what they demand and want.

 

[Rick Otto]

Noting that 1. God does most of the abusing Himself, and the OT Hebrews do it to others at His command, and 2. The cycle of abuse doesn't work that way... statistically speaking, most physical, emotional, or sexual abusers were themselves abused, and Continental the cycle because it was how they were raised.



Props are earned, not whined for. How about we avoid the Christmas rush and you leave now?

As you wish.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Chicken little nonsense.

Don't be jealous, dad.

 

[dad]

So what was God doing in those verses?

That was after the point of no return for Pharaoh. God was going to roll right over him, time was up for pussyfooting around the slaves would be freed come hell or high water!

 

[dad]

Don't be jealous, dad.

Not jealous of insane little chickens clucking and freaking out about leaving the planet and the boogy man aliens will get us!

 

[Cearbhall]

Chicken little nonsense.

Chicken Little would be if he said "Those flashing lights last night were the alien spaceship that's going to destroy us!" I see nothing irrational about his hypothetical statements. He's right.

 

[Extraneous]

Now that's a guess.

Me, I'll play the odds.



Who said I want to evacuate the planet?

People claim that the odds of us being alone in the universe are very low. This is true, but its not aliens, and instead its God who is with us.

 

[dad]

Chicken Little would be if he said "Those flashing lights last night were the alien spaceship that's going to destroy us!" I see nothing irrational about his hypothetical statements. He's right.

So man is going to die and we all need to flee to space....that is not trusting God!

 

[Cearbhall]

So man is going to die and we all need to flee to space....

He only said it could happen. But yes, odds are we are not the only intelligent species in the entire universe. And if we can figure out space travel, so can they.

that is not trusting God!

He's not Christian.

 

[Extraneous]

Im not sure if i phrased my last reply correctly. The odds are against the likelihood that we are alone in this universe. We are not alone. God is with us.

 

[dad]

He only said it could happen.

Much more than that when someone actually suggests we leave planet earth!

He's not Christian.

Bingo...thus the idiotic chicken little fearmongering thingie. Those who know Jesus realize He is the great space king coming to save us from ourselves. Nothing exists but that He made it.

 

[dad]

Im not sure if i phrased my last reply correctly. The odds are against the likelihood that we are alone in this universe. We are not alone. God is with us.

True, and will move in to live here forever one day. There are also untold numbers of angels and spirits He created. Any ugly green big headed aliens would likely be fallen angels...and they will only have a short term temporary visa here!