Does Science Agree With the Bible?

[Luke17:37]

I'm referring to actual evidence, not a silly documentary with an agenda. Maybe next I should watch the "documentary" on ancient aliens?

Suit yourself.

You clearly don't have an agenda at all - spending your time on a site called Christian Forums and mocking Christians.

 

[Michael]

Not one enemy of Egypt seized the opportunity? And if they were trembling so much, why didn't they record anything about it?

FYI, there is some archaeological evidence to support the basic concept:

http://www.bibleandscience.com/archaeology/exodus.htm

 

[HitchSlap]

Suit yourself.

You clearly don't have an agenda at all - spending your time on a site called Christian Forums and mocking Christians.

Please show where I have mocked you?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Joshua, did you read the entire post I wrote to the other Joshua? How do you explain Exodus 20:11? How do you explain year reference in day 4 when God created the heavenly bodies


Hi Joshua. Did you read my whole post to the other Joshua? How do you explain Exodus 20:11? How do you explain the "year" reference God made on the day He created the heavenly bodies? How do you explain sin, it's penalty, and the substitutionary death of Jesus? Can you explain a long age view without putting death before Adam?

It sounds like you have a non-literal definition of literal.

Joshua, refusing to believe Genesis about the straightforward creation by God and the worldwide flood provides a nice foundation for rejecting the literal, bodily return of Jesus Christ.

And in the same passage talking about people who reject creation and the flood, there is a verse the same take out of context.

2 Peter 3:3-9
3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

What is wrong with believing God created as He said, in six literal days (evening, morning, night, day, first, second, etc.)? Is your concept of God that He is too weak to do it? Too weak that He had to take millions of years? Too weak that He couldn't create good things to start with, that He had to have death assist in the creation process and then pin it on Adam?

Your like a machine gun with your questions. Lets start with one word and we can explain that. Most every word in the Bible when it comes to creation would take a whole book to understand and explain. You ask: "How do you explain the "year" reference God made on the day He created the heavenly bodies? " The work God did on day four was in the firmament. The firmament effects the light as it passes through the atmosphere. Even the ocean filters out light. That is why for the most part the ocean is blue because most all the other colors are filtered out.

"literal, bodily return of Jesus Christ." I believe in a literal return of Jesus based on what the Angels said as He departed. Most likely His return will be somewhere around the year 2036.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Since we can't do time travel,

God is outside of time, so He can go back in time. If for example someone needs healing from a event or incident that happened to them as a child then they can pray for God to go back to that point in time to bring about the healing they need.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's fine.

But why discuss the Grand Canyon with someone, when you don't think the earth was segmented into continents by its Creator?

Why would anyone make such an error?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm only going to say one thing. There's a documentary on Netflix to address to Exodus question:

Patterns of Evidence: Exodus
http://m.imdb.com/title/tt3464018/

Egypt probably wouldn't want to agree to the history of the Exodus, although perhaps they care less today. The country was all but destroyed from the ten plagues, and then when the Egyptians pursued Israel through the Red Sea, the Pharaoh and his entire army on chariots perished. The other nations heard about it and trembled, even forty years later when Israel finally began to conquer Canaan.

I really don't get the sense that you care about truth if truth is Biblical. No point in wasting each other's time.

What are you doing on Christian Forums anyway? Just here to try to destroy as many people's faith as you can? Yeah, I thought so. You are deceived. Satan wants you to join him some day in the lake of fire, taking as many with you as possible. But God doesn't want anyone to perish. He doesn't take pleasure in the death of anyone--and that means you, too. Good day.

Sorry, I am not going to waste time on nonscientific story telling. And there were no plagues of Egypt. People record those things. You and I both know that you cannot support your claims with actual evidence.

And I care about "the truth" far more than you do. Since I started out as a Christian I would have been much happier if it supported the Bible, but when you look at it openly and fairly the Bible is clearly lacking.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm so impressed that you can watch a two hour movie in less than 20 minutes.

You are the one making a claim. A two hour movie is not evidence. You need to support your claims with links to valid sources.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Okay ... use the Flood then.

Why ask for the mechanics behind how the Grand Canyon was formed, if you don't believe the Flood was global in the first place?

Why would a person, who can barely add, ask someone to explain calculus to them?

Good point. Let's assume for a bit that your God is real. Why would he tell people that could not understand even the concept of a simple cell how they evolved? Why would he tell people that do not even understand simple erosion and deposition how plate tectonics works? Clearly if there was a God he could not have explained to terribly much to a bunch of sheep herders. Simple morality tales make much more sense. And then you would not have to deal with a "lying God". When you claim that God made the Earth so that it "looks old" you are claiming that God lies. If the Earth was not old there would be no reason to make it seem that way. Literalism leads to a lying God, something that most Christians have a huge problem with.

 

[dad]

You stopped a bit prematurely. We can also gather evidence that the past events produced, and then use that evidence to test our hypotheses. Perhaps you have heard of this. It is called the scientific method.

No you can't and the method you cite is better referred to as the deny and ignore God, the spiritual, and history method. You impose bad beliefs on evidence, and turn around and expect a medal for so doing.

 

[dad]

I care about the truth, and the truth is, there's zero archaeological evidence to support a literal Exodus story. Nada.

The truth is God lead the operation personally, and He doesn't leave messes as you expect. LOOK AT MANNA!

 

[HitchSlap]

The truth is God lead the operation personally, and He doesn't leave messes as you expect. LOOK AT MANNA!

What the aitch? Were you there?

 

[dad]

What the aitch? Were you there?

Manna disappeared each day, that is the sort of remains the Almighty leaves. My friend Jesus was there.

 

[Michael]

Good point. Let's assume for a bit that your God is real. Why would he tell people that could not understand even the concept of a simple cell how they evolved? Why would he tell people that do not even understand simple erosion and deposition how plate tectonics works? Clearly if there was a God he could not have explained to terribly much to a bunch of sheep herders. Simple morality tales make much more sense. And then you would not have to deal with a "lying God". When you claim that God made the Earth so that it "looks old" you are claiming that God lies. If the Earth was not old there would be no reason to make it seem that way. Literalism leads to a lying God, something that most Christians have a huge problem with.

I think the term you're actually looking for is deceitful rather than "lying", but otherwise I agree with you. In fact I've used that very same argument.

 

[Luke17:37]

Your like a machine gun with your questions. Lets start with one word and we can explain that. Most every word in the Bible when it comes to creation would take a whole book to understand and explain. You ask: "How do you explain the "year" reference God made on the day He created the heavenly bodies? " The work God did on day four was in the firmament. The firmament effects the light as it passes through the atmosphere. Even the ocean filters out light. That is why for the most part the ocean is blue because most all the other colors are filtered out.

I think it's pretty simple and you are overcomplicating it. I wasn't asking you about the mechanics of light in the atmosphere.

I'm saying, if your day 4 is an indeterminately long age, what did God mean when He referred to seasons and years? And, for that matter, dividing the day from the night? How do you take this if you insist on day 4 being a long age?

Genesis 1:14-15
14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; 15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so.

"literal, bodily return of Jesus Christ." I believe in a literal return of Jesus based on what the Angels said as He departed. Most likely His return will be somewhere around the year 2036.

Great. I don't know your eschatological views, but no matter how bad the Tribulation is (if you see it, as I expect to), please don't let anything convince you otherwise. It isn't worth it.

 

[dad]

I think the term you're actually looking for is deceitful rather than "lying", but otherwise I agree with you. In fact I've used that very same argument.

Hey, you guys ought to look at a chapter that has advanced physics in it, that is still above modern science's wildest dreams. Not only that, but the section is even spoken directly by God no man involved! Do I need to cite the reference or do you know what I mean?

 

[Hoghead1]

I certainly would not recommend AIG, Luke 17:13, as a reliable source to anyone. I have explored this one and other creation-science apologetic sites, and I am not exactly impressed by their knowledge of science or Scripture.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Israel conquered most of them. The movie mentions two towns specifically where the archeology matches the Biblical account.

"Towns"? You think the nation of Egypt only had towns for enemies? I'm talking about entire nations...

Rahab gives us a picture of how the nations trembled. She survived because she feared God and helped the Israelite spies. She ended up being in the line of David and Jesus.

She survived because she was a prostitute -- one who sells her body for coin is equally negotiable regarding her loyalties.

Plus, considering that Jericho had, at most, 2500 people, it's a safe estimate that about 500 of them were soldiers... pit that against the the 6,000 Israelite troops waiting just outside the walls, and Rahab was probably fearing something a lot closer than God...

In the words of the prophet Bob Dylan, "you don't need a Weatherman to know which way the wind blows..."

But of course, when one is writing war stories, well... expect a little embellishment.

 

[AV1611VET]

When you claim that God made the Earth so that it "looks old" you are claiming that God lies.

If God created a loaf of raisin bread ex nihilo, did He lie?

After all, raisin bread contains raisins (aged grapes).

 

[Subduction Zone]

If God created a loaf of raisin bread ex nihilo, did He lie?

After all, raisin bread contains raisins (aged grapes).

Bad analogy. Why would he? It is not a valid comparison. We know why raisin bread is made with raisins. You need to show why a planet has to be made to look old if you want to use this, until then it is a failed analogy.