Why don't protestants bless Mary?

[patricius79]

So you believe everything the CC says,would that be correct?

All Protestants agree with the Catholic Church that Jesus is God. So the clear implication is that Mary is the Mother of God. The Bible says that we are to hold fast to both the written and oral traditions, and says "whoever listens to you listens to me", so yes I believe whatever the Catholic Church--entrusted with the Word of God--teaches.

 

[Grafted In]

Patricius79, I think you need to take a break and move in a larger circle for a while. I'm concerned about you.
Seriously, pass the ball off to someone else for a while.
I must say you have a zeal for this subject. And I admire your civility, though. of course you're wrong.

 

[patricius79]

Patricius79, I think you need to take a break and move in a larger circle for a while. I'm concerned about you.
Seriously, pass the ball off to someone else for a while.
I must say you have a zeal for this subject. And I admire your civility, though. of course you're wrong.

THanks for you concern and your appreciation of my civility. Our Lady and Our Lord have helped me a lot with that. I am moving in larger circles and trying to gradually deepen my understanding of the Word of God (the Catholic faith), with Mary and Jesus's help.

 

[Grafted In]

Can you give me your experience as to how Mary helps you. Or, is that some what like trying to talk bible to an unbeilver? How do you know when she is communicating with you and how does that relationship differ from your relationship with Jesus?

 

[patricius79]

Can you give me your experience as to how Mary helps you. Or, is that some what like trying to talk bible to an unbeilver? How do you know when she is communicating with you and how does that relationship differ from your relationship with Jesus?

Mary is my spiritual Mother, so she is to my spiritual life what a good earthly mother is to her child in the womb, or baby, or little child. In everything I depend on her just as Christ was completely dependent on her in the womb of His Mother. Whenever I am in need and at all times I call out to her for help and she keeps me out of the trouble that I had often been in before I know the way to Jesus through her. My relationship with Jesus is through Mary and one with my relationship with Mary. Because Mary is Immaculate and as holy as anyone can possibly be without being God, she always leads us to Christ. It is impossible for Mary to distract us from Christ. If we are sincerely seeking Mary, then we are sincerely seeking Christ, since everything Mary tells us is about Christ. "Do whatever he tells you", as she says in Scripture.

 

[Tiny Bible]

I think Mary was blessed by God to deliver the Christ child to the world and fulfill the prophecy of his coming. I don't think other than to recognize that about her that mortal Christians can afford her any blessing as it is not our place to imitate what God had already accomplished with her creation.

I think I could understand Catholicism better if there weren't so many concerns about their conduct as a church empowered under a pope in what appears to be total contradiction to scripture on many points. That doesn't mean I don't respect Catholics however.

My mom happened on Pinterest image site not that long ago and forwarded me the link. I happened on these and thought of this thread. If you click on the individual image at Pinterest, where the body of these images are located, (linked here), you'll go to a whole other collection of different images per each individual image on any given page. Amazing. Hundreds of unique images behind each new image on each page.

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[patricius79]

I think Mary was blessed by God to deliver the Christ child to the world and fulfill the prophecy of his coming. I don't think other than to recognize that about her that mortal Christians can afford her any blessing as it is not our place to imitate what God had already accomplished with her creation.

I think I could understand Catholicism better if there weren't so many concerns about their conduct as a church empowered under a pope in what appears to be total contradiction to scripture on many points. That doesn't mean I don't respect Catholics however.

My mom happened on Pinterest image site not that long ago and forwarded me the link. I happened on these and thought of this thread. If you click on the individual image at Pinterest, where the body of these images are located, (linked here), you'll go to a whole other collection of different images per each individual image on any given page. Amazing. Hundreds of unique images behind each new image on each page.

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Thanks for posting those exquisite images, Tiny Bible.

 

[Meowzltov]

The problem with talking or the oral word is it can be repeated differently than it was originally intended.

And the Bible can be copied differently, and there are quite a few scholars that say in the earliest versions it was.

 

[Meowzltov]

I think I could understand Catholicism better if there weren't so many concerns about their conduct as a church empowered under a pope in what appears to be total contradiction to scripture on many points. That doesn't mean I don't respect Catholics however.

You're going to need to be more specific. And it actually appears you are raising two VERY DIFFERENT issues. Conduct (sin) is not the same thing as saying we have doctrine contrary to scripture. Or are you simply saying the conduct is contrary to scripture? Why does it surprise you to find sin within the Catholic church? Isn't there sin wherever you find men? The Church is a hospital for sinners, not a museum for perfect people.

 

[Albion]

And the Bible can be copied differently, and there are quite a few scholars that say in the earliest versions it was.

Why then would you think that "oral traditions" wouldn't be even more susceptible to that problem?

 

[patricius79]

You're going to need to be more specific. And it actually appears you are raising two VERY DIFFERENT issues. Conduct (sin) is not the same thing as saying we have doctrine contrary to scripture. Or are you simply saying the conduct is contrary to scripture? Why does it surprise you to find sin within the Catholic church? Isn't there sin wherever you find men? The Church is a hospital for sinners, not a museum for perfect people.

If the Church weren't a hospital for sinners, with Our Lady as its Nurse, I'd be in hell!

 

[patricius79]

Why then would you think that "oral traditions" wouldn't be even more susceptible to that problem?

Because of the power of the Holy Spirit, the Advocate, Mary's Spouse.

Isaiah prophesied the promise of a constant oral Tradition in the New Covenant (Isaiah 59:21).

 

[Tiny Bible]

Thanks for posting those exquisite images, Tiny Bible.

You're welcome.Do visit the Pinterest link if you're interested in even more exquisite images. Each image you see on that first page that the link opens to is another gateway to more awesome related images. So if you open the link and see that first picture of Mary, click that. It will be a larger version in most cases, but if you scroll down you'll see even more images related to that one. Then if you go back to the original page and click the next picture you can do the same thing and find different pictures to that link or pin , as they call it.
That's the case with every picture of Mary there. It's just a repeating image gallery. Pictures in the new page you go to after you click that first image that you find in the link I shared, will take you to those other pictures and each and every one of those has more pictures linked behind. It's seemingly infinite. Enjoy.

 

[Tiny Bible]

You're going to need to be more specific. And it actually appears you are raising two VERY DIFFERENT issues. Conduct (sin) is not the same thing as saying we have doctrine contrary to scripture. Or are you simply saying the conduct is contrary to scripture? Why does it surprise you to find sin within the Catholic church? Isn't there sin wherever you find men? The Church is a hospital for sinners, not a museum for perfect people.

I can't really go into it in a forum dedicated to the faith.
You are right that I did bring up two different issues. I explained why Protestants don't bless Mary.
And then referred to those matters in the RCC .

 

[Grafted In]

You're going to need to be more specific. And it actually appears you are raising two VERY DIFFERENT issues. Conduct (sin) is not the same thing as saying we have doctrine contrary to scripture. Or are you simply saying the conduct is contrary to scripture? Why does it surprise you to find sin within the Catholic church? Isn't there sin wherever you find men? The Church is a hospital for sinners, not a museum for perfect people.

What would you call "having doctrine contrary to Scripture" if not sin?

 

[n2thelight]

All Protestants agree with the Catholic Church that Jesus is God. So the clear implication is that Mary is the Mother of God. The Bible says that we are to hold fast to both the written and oral traditions, and says "whoever listens to you listens to me", so yes I believe whatever the Catholic Church--entrusted with the Word of God--teaches.

So what you say about the below Popes

http://www.oddee.com/item_96537.aspx

They were listened too as well,can you honestly say they were of God?

 

[Meowzltov]

If I'm disparaging anything, it's the "authority" man has taken upon himself and put himself in the place of God and His Word. IOW, placing traditions created by man and saying they are the word of God.

Just don't complain when others disparage the Bible, as you are doing essentially the same thing to those who accept the authority of the Church.

 

[Meowzltov]

What would you call "having doctrine contrary to Scripture" if not sin?

Confusion. The Catholic Church doesn't hold Protestants responsible for their errors.

 

[Meowzltov]

Why then would you think that "oral traditions" wouldn't be even more susceptible to that problem?

I didn't say that I personally held those opinions. I simply said they existed. If you are going to entertain that oral opinions of the Apostolic Fathers are corrupted, then it is only fair that you also entertain the notion that the Scriptures are similarly corrupted.

 

[n2thelight]

Confusion. The Catholic Church doesn't hold Protestants responsible for their errors.

And the errors of the CC?