Evolution Promotes Brutality

[Heissonear]

Yup. It's an eat-or-be-eaten kind of world.

Now wrap your noodle around the fact that you're going to have a bunch of kids. Then you're going to die and rot into the earth. Your kids will have their kids, then they'll die and rot. Then their kids. Then theirs. And, by and by, you'll all be forgotten and everything any of you ever worked for, everything you tried to make or preserve or fix, will end.

It's that kind of world, too.

I think you left out the purpose the One who died on the Cross has us here for.

There is nothing and nobody like Him on High, and we have opportunity to have an everlasting relationship with Him.

Abraham counted this world nothing for the world to come. Modernism has so many today they have lost their balance of existence and the value of Him.

 

[Hieronymus]

There's that phileo love. What a wonderful example you are.

Look, pea-brain, if i didn't care about people being mislead, i wouldn't even reply.

 

[46AND2]

Look, pea-brain, if i didn't care about people being mislead, i wouldn't even reply.

Aggressive tonight, aren't ya?

 

[SkyWriting]

I've already told you several times, and you have ignored, that evolution would occur with or without the existence of brutality.

Most people consider "natural" or "organic" selection to be the
strongest mechanism for natural biology.

Artificial or human selection is not usually considered evolution.

The creation of GMO's are not in the category of evolution.
Though any change is, really.

 

[46AND2]

Most people consider "natural" or "organic" selection to be the
strongest mechanism for natural biology.

Artificial or human selection is not usually considered evolution.

The creation of GMO's are not in the category of evolution.
Though any change is, really.

There are many aspects to selection which don't involve the inter- or intra-species brutality.

 

[SkyWriting]

Look, pea-brain, if i didn't care about people being mislead, i wouldn't even reply.

Hmmmm. Perhaps you need to shift your focus.
How about you read over the forum guidelines
for a while and come back while it's still voluntary
for you.

 

[Hieronymus]

Aggressive tonight, aren't ya?

Yes....
I'm sorry..
Let's say 'trouble at home'.
Itś also morning (early afternoon) here, day ruined..

But also fed up with the lack of reason, ironically from people who boast they're so reasonable...

 

[Heissonear]

Actually the "killer" ape (early hominid) violent behavior theory (a la' The opening scene in 2010 A Space Odyssey) was discarded by anthropologists and science about thirty years ago. It's kind of dated as the premise for an argument about the brutality of evolution. Anthropology now concludes from archeological evidence, early man and homo sapiens were not violent creatures. Growing evidence now supports the conclusion that different kinds of homo sapiens like Neanderthals and Cro-Magnon not only DID NOT COMPETE with each other, but they also had DIRECT INTERACTION with each other that was non-violent. Neanderthal artifacts have been found in Cro-Magnon locations and visa versa.

In fact, no archeological evidence has ever been found of homo sapiens killing one another, or cannibalizing each other. Just recently, a new discovery in South Africa has pushed back the earliest date of deliberate burial of remains by 100 thousand years. Did you know Neanderthals fashioned reed flutes and played music ?! There's a brutal and violent past time for someone.

Now according to the Bible, Adamic Man is a different story. From the instant Cain slew Able, until God finally had to flood the world to rid it of the murderous monsters that were the descendants of Adam, the biblical record of modern man's violence is beyond contestation. Homo sapien, sapien (Man created in the image of God according to Scripture-Modern man) is a unquestionably from a biblical standpoint a violent, killer species.

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Nice try.

We need to look no further than modern society, to find brutally in man. I refrain from listing historic events as examples but one, Hitler.

 

[Hieronymus]

Hmmmm. Perhaps you need to shift your focus.
How about you read over the forum guidelines
for a while and come back while it's still voluntary
for you.

You're right...

 

[SkyWriting]

There are many aspects to selection which don't involve the inter- or intra-species brutality.

So would eliminating healthcare, food stamps and charity work be kind and gentle?
Because those all fight natural selection without the use of lions and tigers
to dispose of the unfit among us.

 

[46AND2]

Yes....
I'm sorry..
Let's say 'trouble at home'.
Itś also morning (early afternoon) here, day ruined..

But also fed up with the lack of reason, ironically from people who boast they're so reasonable...

Been there. I spent quite some time away from the board because I ended up getting particularly nasty one evening.

 

[Hieronymus]

Been there. I spent quite some time away from the board because I ended up getting particularly nasty one evening.

It's pure frustration on my account..
I apologise.

 

[Hoghead1]

Look, Hieronymus, before you tell others what you think they are, at least ask first. With me, you have absolutely no idea whom you are talking about. I have an earned doctorate in theology from a conjoint program between a major university and a major PCUSA seminary. Now if you think I'm some sort o atheist, that's probably because you haven't got your head tougher with it comes to theology. Prior to going for my doctorate in theology, I earned an M.S. in a major scientific field via a Big Ten university. So, I have seen both he worlds of theology and science from the inside. And that's why I am telling y9o your whole argument about "indoctrination" is way, way off base. It reflects little more than a total lack of education on your part.

 

[46AND2]

So would eliminating healthcare, food stamps and charity work be kind and gentle?
Because those all fight natural selection without the use of lions and tigers
to dispose of the unfit among us.

I've actually wondered what affect our intellect has on natural selection. And there is more than just the things you mention. The sheer size of the human population, the near complete lack of population isolation, etc.

That would, perhaps, be a better question for, say, sfs.

I certainly don't think that things which fight natural selection keep us from evolving, however.

 

[Hieronymus]

So would eliminating healthcare, food stamps and charity work be kind and gentle?
Because those all fight natural selection without the use of lions and tigers
to dispose of the unfit among us.

Exactly.
Love is essentially opposite to the survival of the most fit.

 

[SkyWriting]

There is no doubt that the Christian religion has been one of the most brutal religions that there ever was.

There is much doubt. Pulling up the same old few exceptions only
supports that case against your point. The problems are quite
exceptional in the whole history.

Most scholars do not consider Hitler to have been a follower.

 

[46AND2]

It's pure frustration on my account..
I apologise.

No worries. I'll admit to goading a bit, too. So, my bad. Hope the rest of your day goes better.

 

[SkyWriting]

I've actually wondered what affect our intellect has on natural selection. And there is more than just the things you mention. The sheer size of the human population, the near complete lack of population isolation, etc.That would, perhaps, be a better question for, say, sfs.I certainly don't think that things which fight natural selection keep us from evolving, however.

I said,
Most do not consider mans influence to be part of natural selection.

 

[Hieronymus]

I said,
Most do not consider mans influence to be part of natural selection.

Of course they don't, because natural in this case means naturalistic, no intelligence and skills, just random data corruption and then see who will survive and procreate.

 

[46AND2]

Exactly.
Love is essentially opposite to the survival of the most fit.

No, that is not correct. Most fit does not equal toughest. Most fit just means the best suited for a particular environment. Clearly, love, morality, teamwork, loyalty can all play a roll in helping organisms survive.