Evolution Promotes Brutality

[46AND2]

☺ Nope.

Is there Scriptures of a lamb sitting with a lion, or such a like? I do believe so.

Is there Scriptures of bears tearing apart 42 children after they were cursed in the name of the Lord by Elisha? I do believe so.

 

[Butterfly99]

I'm over the target, a key part of Evolution. And it is not pretty.

You're into throwing out drama without saying much at all. How exactly do you think evolution "promotes brutality"?

 

[AV1611VET]

Why didn't he just forgive humanity?

Because sin needs to be judged: either by justice, by mercy, or by grace.

Why didn't we just forgive Hitler and his scientists and let it go at that?

And for the record, God sent His Son to die in our place for a reason:

Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

God is both the Just and the Justifier.

 

[AV1611VET]

You're into throwing out drama without saying much at all.

So are unbelievers.

Notice your question that follows?

How exactly do you think evolution "promotes brutality"?

You want to know exactly how it's done.

Same with a cop killing a child.

When a cop shoots a child (or anyone for that matter), people want to know who, what, why, when, where, how; as well as were procedures being followed, including advanced warning, and anything else they can think of.

But not so with God.

No ... He's just a "genocidal maniac," and who cares what the circumstances were?

Context can take a hike, can't it?

 

[Butterfly99]

So are unbelievers.

Notice your question that follows?
You want to know exactly how it's done.

Same with a cop killing a child.

When a cop shoots a child (or anyone for that matter), people want to know who, what, why, when, where, how; as well as were procedures being followed, including advanced warning, and anything else they can think of.

But not so with God.

No ... He's just a "genocidal maniac," and who cares what the circumstances were?

Context can take a hike, can't it?

You manipulated what I wrote, mister. I asked the OP what how exactly he thinks evolution promotes brutality. If I ever want to know what you think, I'll ask you straight.

 

[AV1611VET]

You manipulated what I wrote, mister. I asked the OP what how exactly he thinks evolution promotes brutality. If I ever want to know what you think, I'll ask you straight.

You're into throwing out drama without saying much at all, aren't you, mam?

 

[SepiaAndDust]

There are many true Christians who have accepted that life on Earth evolved over millions of years.

In particular, lifeforms have been around for over 200 million years which have continuously lived by biting and devouring other lifeforms.

Has God allowed brutality to be the means for many lifeforms to exist for such a long period of time?

I don't think so. How about you?

Yup. It's an eat-or-be-eaten kind of world.

Now wrap your noodle around the fact that you're going to have a bunch of kids. Then you're going to die and rot into the earth. Your kids will have their kids, then they'll die and rot. Then their kids. Then theirs. And, by and by, you'll all be forgotten and everything any of you ever worked for, everything you tried to make or preserve or fix, will end.

It's that kind of world, too.

 

[Butterfly99]

You're into throwing out drama without saying much at all, aren't you, mam?

Nope. I'm not, but your kindergarten antics have been noted once again, lol. I'm asking this OP to clarify exactly how he thinks evolution promotes brutality.

Edit - Now I remember why I was advised to put that troll on my ignore list when I joined here, lol. Fixing that mistake right now.

 

[AV1611VET]

Nope. I'm not, but your kindergarten antics have been noted once again, lol. I'm asking this OP to clarify exactly how he thinks evolution promotes brutality.

Why?

We're both demonstrating it right here.

 

[Heissonear]

True enough but besides the point. We are talking about God and His arguable use of brutality.


Again, besides the point. The fact that God used brutality to achieve goals in the Old Testament puts you in a tough spot relative to what I understand your position to be.


This really does not seem to address the force of the objection I and others are raising. God may equally have had "reasons" to use evolution. The basic problem with your position is that of consistency. Yes, the idea that God would use the brutality of evolution to bring about higher life does, on first glance at least, seem to conflict with the image of God as kind and loving. Yet all sorts of horrible things happen in the world that one would equally well expect a loving God to prevent. And this includes natural disasters for which no human is responsible (so the counterargument that God will not override human free will does not work).

Many are using the Old Testament to correlate to the brutality in Evolution.

 

[Loudmouth]

Many are using the Old Testament to correlate to the brutality in Evolution.

You don't think life evolved, yet you admit that life is brutal.

Where do you think that brutality came from?

 

[46AND2]

Ok, AV, let's revisit your police-squatter analogy and make it a little more accurate...

Suppose the police know with absolute certainty that the can send in a negotiator, talk the squatters down, and convince them to leave peacefully.

But INSTEAD the decide to send in SWAT team, anyway, and mow the squatters down with assault weapons.

Would this be an unnecessary display of brutality?

 

[Heissonear]

I see Heissonear has ignored my post #13. Here it is again.

And Heissonear, what do you think "fittest" means?

Papias

The primary issue is being side stepped.

If a bear was tiny I would kick him up in the trees when he did anything. Same with an alligator, I'd stomp him like a scorpion.

Definition of words is trival, mate.

When a lion gets a hold of a deer it is not a pretty sight. The devouring of open flesh is beastly.

Evolution produces brutality to trillions of animals for those who promote it.

 

[Goonie]

Always happy when I get to reuse this meme

 

[AV1611VET]

Ok, AV, let's revisit your police-squatter analogy and make it a little more accurate...

Suppose the police know with absolute certainty that the can send in a negotiator, talk the squatters down, and convince them to leave peacefully.

But INSTEAD the decide to send in SWAT team, anyway, and mow the squatters down with assault weapons.

Would this be an unnecessary display of brutality?

Yes.

But your analogy doesn't fit the Bible.

Rahab the harlot testifies of this.

Joshua 2:8 And before they were laid down, she came up unto them upon the roof;
Joshua 2:9 And she said unto the men, I know that the LORD hath given you the land, and that your terror is fallen upon us, and that all the inhabitants of the land faint because of you.

 

[Cute Tink]

Evolution produces brutality to trillions of animals for those who promote it.

The promotion or not of evolution is not going to change the fact that animals are "brutal", apparently to you.

If you disregard evolution, animals are still "brutal" to each other, are they not?

 

[AV1611VET]

The promotion or not of evolution is not going to change the fact that animals are "brutal", apparently to you.

If you disregard evolution, animals are still "brutal" to each other, are they not?

You guys love to teach that, but then you deny a Klebold & Harris when they demonstrate it.

 

[Cute Tink]

You guys love to teach that, but then you deny a Klebold & Harris when they demonstrate it.

Honestly AV, I don't know who those people are, but I would appreciate not being bundled with a "you guys". My opinions are my own and are not meant to represent anyone else.

 

[stephen583]

Actually the "killer" ape (early hominid) violent behavior theory (a la' The opening scene in 2010 A Space Odyssey) was discarded by anthropologists and science about thirty years ago. It's kind of dated as the premise for an argument about the brutality of evolution. Anthropology now concludes from archeological evidence, early man and homo sapiens were not violent creatures. Growing evidence now supports the conclusion that different kinds of homo sapiens like Neanderthals and Cro-Magnon not only DID NOT COMPETE with each other, but they also had DIRECT INTERACTION with each other that was non-violent. Neanderthal artifacts have been found in Cro-Magnon locations and visa versa.

In fact, no archeological evidence has ever been found of homo sapiens killing one another, or cannibalizing each other. Just recently, a new discovery in South Africa has pushed back the earliest date of deliberate burial of remains by 100 thousand years. Did you know Neanderthals fashioned reed flutes and played music ?! There's a brutal and violent past time for someone.

Now according to the Bible, Adamic Man is a different story. From the instant Cain slew Able, until God finally had to flood the world to rid it of the murderous monsters that were the descendants of Adam, the biblical record of modern man's violence is beyond contestation. Homo sapien, sapien (Man created in the image of God according to Scripture-Modern man) is a unquestionably from a biblical standpoint a violent, killer species.

 

[AV1611VET]

Honestly AV, I don't know who those people are, but I would appreciate not being bundled with a "you guys". My opinions are my own and are not meant to represent anyone else.

Do you really want me to believe you are the only one around here who believes:

1. Man is an animal.
2. Klebold & Harris were animals.
3. Animals are brutal.
4. Klebold & Harris committed brutal acts on other animals.

Or do you deny any of the above?