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Evolution Promotes Brutality

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There are many true Christians who have accepted that life on Earth evolved over millions of years.

In particular, lifeforms have been around for over 200 million years which have continuously lived by biting and devouring other lifeforms.

Has God allowed brutality to be the means for many lifeforms to exist for such a long period of time?

I don't think so. How about you?
 

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All life forms have evolved to derive nutrients from their environment. Terms like "brutality" are simply meaningless at the plant or animal level.
 
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Where do you want this survival of the fittest killing done? Out on Hiway 61 for trillions upon trillions of creatures and millions of years?

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Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_time_scale
 
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Do you have some point to make?

Sure he does, "Evilution is all about killin' an' I don't like that, therefore it ain't true!" :-/
 
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I had to put down my 15 year old Jack Russell Terrier about a year ago.


I am not an expert on dogs, but I can assure you that that is not a Jack Russell Terrier in your photo.

Seriously, I am sorry for your loss. But we know when we get most of our pets that we will outlive them. Part of the price of falling in love with a pet is taking care of it at the end.
 
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Where do you want this survival of the fittest killing done?

If we accept the theory of gravity, does this mean that we have to throw people off of buildings to make them fall?

Theories are descriptive, not prescriptive.
 
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In particular, lifeforms have been around for over 200 million years which have continuously lived by biting and devouring other lifeforms.

If the devouring is inherently evil, why would it be better if they only devoured each other for 6000 years?

Why would a short brutality be more likely to be true than a long brutality? Shouldn't we, um, actually look for evidence that tells us how long this has been going on?
 
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Has God allowed brutality to be the means for many lifeforms to exist for such a long period of time?

I don't think so. How about you?

That's like saying that you don't believe in plate tectonics because God wouldn't make a system that results in terrible earthquakes and volcanic eruptions that kill animals.

Or that you don't believe that water is unbreathable by land animals, because God wouldn't make a common material in such a way that it would kill so many animals by drowning. Dihydrogen monoxide, etc.

Or.......

and so on.
 
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There are many true Christians who have accepted that life on Earth evolved over millions of years.

In particular, lifeforms have been around for over 200 million years which have continuously lived by biting and devouring other lifeforms.

Has God allowed brutality to be the means for many lifeforms to exist for such a long period of time?

I don't think so. How about you?

Is God allowing such brutality today?
 
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Some interesting replies. Many good ones.

But let's look at a major aspect of Hiway 61. Savage killing is the principle factor we want to examine. Time is an element.

Evolution calls the savage killing a part of survival: "survival of the fittest".

So savage killing would be an integral part in God using Evolution as a means of bringing higher forms of life on Earth. Is this correct?
 
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Some interesting replies. Many good ones.

But let's look at a major aspect of Hiway 61. Savage killing is the principle factor we want to examine. Time is an element.

Evolution calls the savage killing a part of survival: "survival of the fittest".

So savage killing would be an integral part in God using Evolution as a means of bringing higher forms of life on Earth. Is this correct?

There's a lot of savage killing commanded and performed by God in the OT.
 
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