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Does Science Agree With the Bible?
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Doveaman
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Scientists are suppose to be relying on facts, but they still haven't gotten all their stories/theories/interpretations straight, which makes the facts worthless.
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No.
Let me use an analogy.
I can look at different phone operating systems. Let's say I look at Apple's iOS, Google's Android and Microsoft's Windows. Each of these operating systems is going to have to do similar things. They're all going to need to be able to deal with phone calls, text messages, blue tooth, wifi, etc. So there are going to be some similarities, just as there are similarities between sharks and dolphins.
But when we actually take a close look at HOW the different operating systems work, we understand that even though they may look outwardly similar, the actual way they work is different. That's why I can't take the bit of programming that runs Facebook on an iPhone and get it to work on my Android phone. The operating systems have developed their own unique ways of handling the tasks they need to perform, and what works on one system won't necessarily work on another. It's like how a shark's network of blood vessels won't work in a dolphin. The shark needs a blood supply to its gills, and a dolphin doesn't have any. Put the shark blood vessels in a dolphin and they'd be supplying blood to gills that aren't there, while the lungs that ARE there have no blood supply at all.
Now, the operating systems change over time, and they put out updates. But if the Android programming that handled how the wifi connection works suddenly started looking like the Microsoft version, I'd figure that the new code didn't develop from the previous Android code, but was stolen. This would be like a dolphin suddenly growing gills instead of lungs. It doesn't happen in nature, and if it happened in the operating systems, Microsoft would take Google to court over theft of intellectual property. And how would Microsoft know? Because the characteristics were there. The new Google code wasn't based on earlier versions of the same app. However, if Googles new code DOES have the same characteristics of their earlier code, then Microsoft knows that Google hasn't been using stolen data.
Likewise, we can look at the ways animals bodies work and see what evolutionary lines they have come from. Dolphins have bones in their flipers which are a very close match to the bones that humans have in their arms. Evolutionarily speaking, the reason for this is simple. There was a species of animal that lived before humans and dolphins, and it evolved this bone structure. Then it speciated, and evolved, some following the evolutionary line that would lead to modern dolphins, and others leading to modern Humans. Since both humans and dolphins evolved from this common ancestor, we would expect that many of the traits that it had remained. Changed, due to the need to adapt to different pressures, but the basic architecture is there for all to see.
And that is why we know where the different kinds of animals came from. (There are many other ways as well, so we can check. All the different ways to know where the animals came from all agree.)
So why do dolphins have traits that are very BAD for living in water - like the inability to breathe water?
I submit as evidence all of reality. In addition, I submit that we know for a fact that present state rules work, since we can observe them working. I also submit that the ratios of radioactive materials and decay products we see would be different. Since the only way to explain the ratio we see is by having same state past, then I declare that there was no DSP.
Yes I have. And the opposition you are no doubt going to post to my argument does not change the fact that the ratios of radioactive material and decay product we see would be different.
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Christ himself used metaphor while walking the Earth. Why would I assume every statement in the Bible was ever meant by God to be interpreted "literally"?
Catholics take him at his word. You don't own that moral high ground exclusively.
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You are missing the point...it's ALL metaphors, even the rocks. But whom has your ear?
I'll say it again: The Catholic leaders serve two masters.
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Are you saying blind people do not experience reality because they cannot see?
I prefer a reality that I actually experience all (emphasis on "all") around me and not just a reality that can only be seen.
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I am thinking that the ancient giants is proof of a different environment in the past.
The laws of nature might not have changed, but the laws were applied differently.
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I am thinking that it is far more reasonable to think that "ancient giants" are nothing more than literary hyperbole to make a spiritual point.
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Sorry, but I just don't buy that claim. All Christians serve Christ, and there's just no point in villianizing whole segments of Christians.
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You do not know your Savior. If you did, if your arm offended you, you would cut it off and not defend it.
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