Does Science Agree With the Bible?

[The Cadet]

I never said that. Why do you turn everything around...first on God, thinking He was evil, and now on me, as if I called you evil?

There is nothing wrong or evil about trying to understand the world around us.

So then why is it merely a trap for the evil when they try to understand the world and come up with answers that don't fit the bible?

 

[Kylie]

If God created two kinds that looked alike that would look like evolution to those with a partial knowledge and modern bias.

No it wouldn't.

Sharks and dolphins look alike. They have similar streamlined shapes, but their biology indicates very different evolutionary paths.

Likewise, possums and squirrels look like, but they are still very different.

In both cases, they have evolved to look similar because they both face the same sorts of challenges.

If former nature man was different you also would be confused by skulls. How would you know what we needed for head space back then??

Doesn't matter what it was used for. I wouldn't expect it to look like a gradual process of developing the features we see today.

 

[Michael]

It has been done objectively.

I'm afraid it's only been done in a highly *subjective* manner, specifically without regards to any external input of any type.

But it is not your test that you are living in, it's God's.

Why exactly would God "test" us by making rocks that "appear" to be billions of years old?

And the way of testing spirituality has already been determined, it is by the spirit. But it is not scientific, it is the end of science.

Only in your case. With Catholics, not so much.

 

[Loudmouth]

No it wouldn't.

Sharks and dolphins look alike. They have similar streamlined shapes, but their biology indicates very different evolutionary paths.

In fact, the dolphin's fin has more in common with the human arm than it does with anything found on the shark.

So why would God use the same bones for humans and dolphins, but use something different for a shark fin that looks so much like a dolphin fin from the outside? That is something that creationists can't seem to tackle.

 

[ScottA]

I didn't send you anywhere. Still waiting for you to present evidence.

You are living in it.

 

[ScottA]

More pure cop-out. Faith in Christ is not predicated on the validity of YEC.

Then don't believe it.

PS, What is YEC?

 

[Michael]

Young Earth Creationism.

 

[ScottA]

So then why is it merely a trap for the evil when they try to understand the world and come up with answers that don't fit the bible?

Because God's plan is to eliminate evil.

But I don't get your logic. Studying while in prison may better the person, but it is no promise of a dismissed sentence.

 

[ScottA]

Then don't believe it.

PS, What is YEC?

I am not sure where that comes into our discussion. I am not an advocate of YEC.

I am an advocate for God having created the world to be whatever serves His purpose, even if it means something different to different people. In other words, if He created the world millions of years old for some, and thousands of years old for others...then that is factually what it is on BOTH fronts. I believe BOTH ages are perhaps true...simply because it is all contrived anyway. The fact that the two camps would argue about it...only eludes to what camp one is in, or that perhaps we are serving two masters.

 

[The Cadet]

Because God's plan is to eliminate evil.

I recommend everyone go back through this quote exchange, because this logic is so nonsensical and self-contradicting that it is painful.

 

[ScottA]

I'm afraid it's only been done in a highly *subjective* manner, specifically without regards to any external input of any type.

Why exactly would God "test" us by making rocks that "appear" to be billions of years old?

Only in your case. With Catholics, not so much.

1) Yes. It is all God's doing, and He has done what He wills without input.

2) To see what you gravitate to [pun intended], whether it be His word, or the word of micro [would-be] experts.

3) The Catholic leadership has lead the flock astray, assuming more authority than was given to them. They do not serve God, and they are known by their fruit.

 

[ScottA]

"Because God's plan is to eliminate evil."

I recommend everyone go back through this quote exchange, because this logic is so nonsensical and self-contradicting that it is painful.

Perhaps I should have used an example of justifiable elimination of evil that we all do everyday...like: dumping the trash, or flushing the toilet. Getting rid of evil is good. God is good.

 

[Michael]

I am not sure where that comes into our discussion. I am not an advocate of YEC.

I am an advocate for God having created the world to be whatever serves His purpose, even if it means something different to different people. In other words, if He created the world millions of years old for some, and thousands of years old for others...then that is factually what it is on BOTH fronts. I believe BOTH ages are perhaps true...simply because it is all contrived anyway. The fact that the two camps would argue about it...only eludes to what camp one is in, or that perhaps we are serving two masters.

I'm not sure how you can believe that both possibilities are viable, but perhaps we're not as far apart as I first presumed.

 

[Michael]

3) The Catholic leadership has lead the flock astray, assuming more authority than was given to them. They do not serve God, and they are known by their fruit.

If you accept that an ancient Earth is a viable option, why are you condemning the Catholic Church for supporting a position that is consistent with "science" on that particular topic?

 

[ScottA]

I'm not sure how you can believe that both possibilities are viable, but perhaps we're not as far apart as I first presumed.

In a "created" debatably non-reality where matter and time and therefore age are also debatable that serves a debatable purpose to a God whose thoughts are higher than our thoughts...a precise measurement of time and age, is ludicrous.

Thus, my position is for God's [actual] purpose, and I am not hung up on the well-meaning human perspectives of those who dabble in their own conjecture while making claims of authority they do not have.

 

[ScottA]

If you accept that an ancient Earth is a viable option, why are you condemning the Catholic Church for supporting a position that is consistent with "science" on that particular topic?

I already answered, saying that the leadership has lead the flock astray, assuming more authority than was given to them. And if they were serving God, they would not contradict His word, but explain the truth of there being two paths and a choice of who to believe. They could do that very thing like no one else could...but because the do not, but they themselves have taken the other path...they show themselves as serving another master. Nor do they understand.

 

[Laury]

"Because God's plan is to eliminate evil."
Perhaps I should have used an example of justifiable elimination of evil that we all do everyday...like: dumping the trash, or flushing the toilet. Getting rid of evil is good. God is good.

Maybe it would help if you would finally define what kind of "evil" god eliminates with those "traps".

 

[The Cadet]

Perhaps I should have used an example of justifiable elimination of evil that we all do everyday...like: dumping the trash, or flushing the toilet. Getting rid of evil is good. God is good.

Peter: Yeah, I'm looking for toilet-training books.
Bookstore Clerk: Oh, yes. We can help you there. Everybody Poops is still the standard, of course. We've also got the less popular Nobody Poops But You.
Peter: Huh. Well, see, we're Catholic, so...
Bookstore Clerk: Then you want You're a Naughty Child And That's Concentrated Evil Coming Out the Back of You.
Peter: Perfect!

 

[Michael]

I already answered, saying that the leadership has lead the flock astray, assuming more authority than was given to them. And if they were serving God, they would not contradict His word, but explain the truth of there being two paths and a choice of who to believe. They could do that very thing like no one else could...but because the do not, but they themselves have taken the other path...they show themselves as serving another master. Nor do they understand.

Huh? The "other path" as you put it is simply the same path that you said could be a viable option:

I am not sure where that comes into our discussion. I am not an advocate of YEC.

I am an advocate for God having created the world to be whatever serves His purpose, even if it means something different to different people. In other words, if He created the world millions of years old for some, and thousands of years old for others...then that is factually what it is on BOTH fronts. I believe BOTH ages are perhaps true...simply because it is all contrived anyway.

They don't suggest that God didn't create the world, they suggest it happened a long time ago, as do most Christians in general.

 

[ScottA]

Maybe it would help if you would finally define what kind of "evil" god eliminates with those "traps".

I don't need to. He has already defined it.