Does Science Agree With the Bible?

[Vicomte13]

That sounds like a very "lawyerly" argument to me. Too bad it's not biblical. It doesn't matter when God gave the law against incest. "A thousand years are as one day with the Lord", (2 Peter 3:8). So the time span you site is irrelevant to the way God reckons things.

Actually, Stephen, it matters a great deal.

God's laws are exactly what God said they are. They are not all universals. When God told David, through Samuel, that he would be King of Israel, that was so. That does not mean that everybody everwhere will be king. It meant just exactly what it meant, and it applied to just exactly whom it applied.

If you read the Law of Sinai, as it is revealed, God's own words make it clear to whom it applies: the Hebrews there.

It is also very clear in the Torah that what a Hebrew GOT for following the law wasn't "eternal life in heaven with God after death" - there is no reference in the Torah to life after death or an otherworldly reward for obedience to God's law. The only thing promised was a farm in Israel in peace and security, if the Israelites followed the law.

So no, actually, the law of incest in the Torah not only did not apply before Sinai, but it STILL does not apply to anybody but circumcised Jews who are trying to keep the Law of Torah.

That we don't allow it is due to cultural squeamishness - the "Ick" factor - and because our laws EMULATE the Scriptures, but if you marry your sister and have children, you do not lose the hope of eternal life, even if you are a Jew, because eternal life was not promised to the Jews for obedience to this law - and God never gave this law to Gentiles at all.

Men gave the law to ourselves, in emulation of what God did in Israel. That's fine, but you are making the error of thinking that you are promised a kingship over Israel because David was promised a crown.

Nope.

 

[Vicomte13]

Like I said

On your own authority, which I do not recognize.

 

[Vicomte13]

Arthur Conan Doyle also says,

Wasn't he a drug addict?

 

[Vicomte13]

Why did Noah plant a vineyard and become a drunkard at the end of the story ?!

He didn't. He planted a vineyard and he got drunk. Getting drunk once, or twice, or five times, doesn't make a man a drunkard.

 

[Vicomte13]

Now that's incredible !.. How did an olive tree survive a global salt water flood that covered the entire Earth ?! (ANSWER). IT COULDN'T HAVE !!!..

God put the olive twig in the dove's beak, to symbolize peace between man and the animals, on the one hand, and God on the other.

 

[Vicomte13]

Which explains why he planted a vineyard and became a drunkard.

That he planted a vineyard is explained by the fact that he was a human with dominion over plants and land, and he found he could make wine, which is a nice and good thing. He also found out that a man can get drunk from too much of it, which is not a sin, but which can lead to sin (in his case, it led to the sin of his son Ham, who apparently fathered a child - Cainan - with Adam's wife while Adam was asleep).

 

[AV1611VET]

I love how YEC complain that there are no transitional fossils, but when you show them the various transitional fossils we've found thus far, they simply ignore them, or handwave at them.

Show me one.

I promise I won't ignore or handwave it.

 

[Michael]

Show me one.

I promise I won't ignore or handwave it.

You actually have quite a few to choose from:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_evolution_fossils

 

[AV1611VET]

You actually have quite a few to choose from:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_evolution_fossils

IMO, these guys were humans that God placed one of His ...

Deuteronomy 28:59 Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.

... on as a judgement for sin.

I believe David died from one of these "wonderful plagues" as well ... (Psalm 38).

And if they were to find his bones, would mistake him for a Cro Magnon or Neanderthal.

 

[Michael]

IMO, these guys were humans that God placed one of His ...

Deuteronomy 28:59 Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.

... on as a judgement for sin.

I believe David died from one of these "wonderful plagues" as well ... (Psalm 38).

And if they were to find his bones, would mistake him for a Cro Magnon or Neanderthal.

Well my friend, I'm afraid that "God did it" (as a punishment for sin) sounds a little handwavy from my perspective.

 

[dad]

I love how YEC complain that there are no transitional fossils, but when you show them the various transitional fossils we've found thus far, they simply ignore them, or handwave at them.

i don't say no transitions happened, get grip. Man co ing from beasts was not among any transitions. Believers ought to know this.

 

[dad]

Please show us what features these fossils are missing that a real transitional fossil would have.

one needs a brain inside the skull, more than an empty skull to figure that out. Better to look at a creature for what it was, than for what some bone looked like.

 

[stephen583]

God put the olive twig in the dove's beak, to symbolize peace between man and the animals, on the one hand, and God on the other.

See. Exactly as I said. GOD miraculously alters reality to make the religious zealots point. It's the last refuge of the delusional. And it certainly doesn't agree with Romans 1:20. So we're just going to have to agree to disagree about what's real. Cause this ain't go'in nowhere. And I don't need to quote Einstein to know that.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well my friend, I'm afraid that "God did it" (as a punishment for sin) sounds a little handwavy from my perspective.

Suit yourself.

 

[Kylie]

Well my friend, I'm afraid that "God did it" (as a punishment for sin) sounds a little handwavy from my perspective.

Sounds handwavy to me too.

 

[Kylie]

i don't say no transitions happened, get grip. Man co ing from beasts was not among any transitions. Believers ought to know this.

Despite the fact that we have the fossils of the transitions?

 

[dad]

Despite the fact that we have the fossils of the transitions?

That's what you think. You don't know what was created and what transitioned.

 

[Kylie]

That's what you think. You don't know what was created and what transitioned.

Why would it look like it evolved if it didn't?

 

[stephen583]

"If you CAN'T explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough".

Albert Einstein

So in one instance, "incest" explains how Cain and Seth found wives, and "getting falling down naked drunk" is o.k. and explains Noah's strange behavior, and yet the olive twig in the dove's beak inexplicably appears there as a "miracle of God". I'm a little confused. It sounds like rather convoluted reasoning to me.

 

[dad]

Why would it look like it evolved if it didn't?

If God created two kinds that looked alike that would look like evolution to those with a partial knowledge and modern bias.

If former nature man was different you also would be confused by skulls. How would you know what we needed for head space back then??