Refuting Sola Scriptura - Why the Bible Alone is Not Sufficient

[Goatee]

Can you reference the post # please. I would just like to know for future reference to make sure it is not repeated.

Search through and have a look. I am sure the moderators will.

 

[Goatee]

Quit trolling the thread with nonsense

Why speak to Rick like that? Not nice buddy

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

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I noticed that you adhere to "other" in your vote on Do You Adhear to Sola Scriptura? What is your stance on the topic?

 

[Goatee]

I noticed that you adhere to "other" in your vote on Do You Adhear to Sola Scriptura? What is your stance on the topic?

This:

2 Thessalonians

15 So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter.

You cannot go by Sola Scripture on its own

 

[patricius79]

The point was that there was a commandment for the sin offering law after giving birth while there was no law condemning anyone in baptism.

Right. So why then did Jesus submit to John's baptism of repentance, when he had nothing to repent, just as Mary humbly kept the law, even though she was sinless and had given birth to Jesus, our God?

I think that whichever position one takes on this, they are in some sense going beyond Scripture. Unless they refuse to interpret Scripture, and instead simply quote from Scripture.

 

[patricius79]

Who gave us the scriptures?

The Roman church says they proclaimed which books were actually inspired and placed them in one volume, so we should all be indebted to the Catholic Church for the New Testament. Actually the Catholic Church in 397 the Council of Carthage had the 27 books considered the canon.

However these books were read and distributed as Scripture for over 300 years by individual Christians and church’s long before their church councils claimed to give us the Bible.

I think that whenever one thinks the N.T. Canon was set, the point is that it was not set in Scripture, which does not give the N.T. Canon. The knowledge of which N.T. books were inspired was passed on through Sacred Tradition.

 

[patricius79]

This:

2 Thessalonians

15 So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter.

You cannot go by Sola Scripture on its own

I think that verse is one I couldn't be comfortable with accepting as the Word of God, if I believed in the idea of Sola Scriptura.

But I think it is the Word of God, and we should follow it.

 

[Wgw]

I'm interested. Got a link?

Indo-Iranian is the family of related languahes from which the Latinate languages, Greek and Albanian, the Germanic languages, the Slavic languages, Farsi, Sanskrit and modern Indian tongues like Hindi and Urdu are derived from; compare with the Semitic, Afro-Asiatic, Altaic and other families. A simple Google search will confirm this.

English is a Germanic language particularly closely related to West Frisian.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

I think that verse is one I couldn't be comfortable with accepting as the Word of God, if I believed in the idea of Sola Scriptura.

But I think it is the Word of God, and we should follow it.

This:

2 Thessalonians

15 So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter.

You cannot go by Sola Scripture on its own

It is the Word of God and should be followed explicitely in the context that Paul followed it.
1 Corinthians 11:1
Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

Anything outside of that is not following Paul or Christ. If you have other references to following Christ outside of scripture please present it. But it won't be accepted as following Christ unless it's Sola Scriptura

 

[Goatee]

It is the Word of God and should be followed explicitely in the context that Paul followed it.
1 Corinthians 11:1
Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

Anything outside of that is not following Paul or Christ. If you have other references to following Christ outside of scripture please present it. But it won't be accepted as following Christ unless it's Sola Scriptura

There you go, twisting scripture to suit 'YOUR' beliefs!! Dear oh dear!

 

[patricius79]

It is the Word of God and should be followed explicitely in the context that Paul followed it.
1 Corinthians 11:1
Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

Hi Cassia, Good morning. I hear you saying that we should follow Paul as a means of following Christ. Is that right? Should we not follow Christ by holding fast to the traditions as they were handed on, whether orally or by letter? (2 Thessalonians 2:15)

 

[Goatee]

Hi Cassia, Good morning. I hear you saying that we should follow Paul as a means of following Christ. Is that right? Wouldn't that mean that following Christ means that we should hold fast to the traditions as they were handed on, whether orally or by letter? (2 Thessalonians 2:15)

He read 2 Thessalonians 2:15 but really dismissed its meaning by saying we should go along with 1 Corinthians 11:1

 

[patricius79]

I think we are getting too contentious on here. We're just sinners who believe in the Bible and are trying to follow our conscience.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Search through and have a look. I am sure the moderators will.

You do realize that nobody is attacking you personally. The the topic of the thread in itself is intended to challenge and "refute" any protestant denomination who believes is Sola scriptura. The thread in itself is an attack on protestant beliefs! As a result, you will be darn sure that not only will people defend protestant beliefs in this thread but will rebuttal with counter evidence that will show the flaws of the Catholic Church in order to "refute" their lack of belief is Sola Scriptura. Every "attack" that has been posted that I have seen either directly or indirectly prove or discredit the belief in Sola scriptura. If you are offended by all the "catholic bashing" you ought to walk away from the forum. How dare you and anyone else who decides to post or participate in a thread with the intent of discrediting a christian denomination and then feel "offended" by the "catholic bashing" they get in return!

 

[Goatee]

You do realize that nobody is attacking you personally. The the topic of the thread in itself is intended to challenge and "refute" any protestant denomination who believes is Sola scriptura. The thread in itself is an attack on protestant beliefs! As a result, you will be darn sure that not only will people defend protestant beliefs in this thread but will rebuttal with counter evidence that will show the flaws of the Catholic Church in order to "refute" their lack of belief is Sola Scriptura. Every "attack" that has been posted that I have seen either directly or indirectly prove or discredit the belief in Sola scriptura. If you are offended by all the "catholic bashing" you ought to walk away from the forum. How dare you and anyone else who decides to post or participate in a thread with the intent of discrediting a christian denomination and then feel "offended" by the "catholic bashing" they get in return!

Some remarks have been well below the belt in the thread.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Some remarks have been well below the belt in the thread.

You think it's ok to claim that and not provide proof. Not good form.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Some remarks have been well below the belt in the thread.

Specifically which ones?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

You think it's ok to claim that and not provide proof. Not good form.

This is about the closest thing to a "personal attack" antletems is going to get..

What would you call someone who tries to attack and refute someone's religious beliefs and the feel like they are a victim being picked on when they get retaliation? ??
I have a word for it but I am just curious what you would say.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Hyperdulia or Latria both refer to WORSHIP... you say the 'church' doesn't worship Mary yet your encyclopedia says you do... so you defer with another term to show some kind of differentiation. So then, you worship Mary but Worship God, is that it?

Agape and eros both refer to love, but they're two different kinds of love. English word "worship" is not adequate to describe the kind of worship. We hyperdulia Mary, we latria God.

 

[Fireinfolding]

It is the Word of God and should be followed explicitely in the context that Paul followed it.
1 Corinthians 11:1
Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

Anything outside of that is not following Paul or Christ. If you have other references to following Christ outside of scripture please present it. But it won't be accepted as following Christ unless it's Sola Scriptura

Good one, I will add these to yours also

2 Ti 1:13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me,
in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

Titus 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

Paul understood being zealous (even more exceedingly so) of the traditions of his fathers

Gal 1:15 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation,
being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

And also told them to beware of these as well

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit,
after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

That which is not after Christ.

Jesus handed us the tradition of taking up our own crosses and following after him which is one that has oftentimes been reduced to buying an expensive gold one to wear around your neck for show.