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[popsthebuilder]

Didn't accuse you of doing anything, just pointed out a fact where I thought it was appropriate to do so.

Feel free to be as offended as you like.

"There is order in the universe that does not arise purely from chance" does not a theist make.

Not an atheist.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Nor

 

[variant]

Nor an atheist.

Yes, you would have to go a bit further than that to group anyone.

 

[popsthebuilder]

I've gone as far as any can reasonably fathom. What did I miss that lead me out of atheism?

 

[variant]

I've gone as far as any can reasonably fathom. What did I miss that lead me out of atheism?

Why are you convinced? Or am I misreading you?

 

[popsthebuilder]

Why are you convinced? Or am I misreading you?

In God?

Honestly it wasn't initially by Faith but hope and need that brought about my conviction.

 

[variant]

Honestly it wasn't initially by Faith but hope and need that brought about my conviction.

Hope and need are the basis for your belief?

Perhaps the difference is basic psychology then, I've never considered my own psychological needs to be important when determining what is true.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Hope and need are the basis for your belief?

Perhaps the difference is basic psychology then, I've never considered my own psychological needs to be important when determining what is true.

Me neither, nor did I upon initial salvation. I was not aware of my dire need at that time. It brought about the circumstances for my Faith that I hold now. It isn't the reason for my faith.

 

[variant]

Me neither, nor did I upon initial salvation. I was not aware of my dire need at that time. It brought about the circumstances for my Faith that I hold now. It isn't the reason for my faith.

Then what is the reason?

 

[popsthebuilder]

Then what is the reason?

The reason for my faith in God lies n the multiple verifications of such on multiple levels. They are pertinent to me alone for the most part, but too have been verified by multiple core scriptures as well. I can copy and paste a very shortened version of my initial experience if it would help you in any way.
Peace

 

[Ana the Ist]

The reason for my faith in God lies n the multiple verifications of such on multiple levels. They are pertinent to me alone for the most part, but too have been verified by multiple core scriptures as well. I can copy and paste a very shortened version of my initial experience if it would help you in any way.
Peace

I'd like to hear about it!

 

[bhsmte]

Twist this around however you like; man is not the highest power obviously. All existence follows order and direction observable through mathematics. The Universe is thought to have expands from a seemingly infinitely smaller source. Even if you decide in Your human understanding that all came from mere chance then surely you can ascertain. That something greater than us gave and or gives us that chance.

What is your personal stance if you don't mind?

I made a simple statement; higher levels of education achieved, correlate with less belief in God and religion.

I said nothing more or less and I am quite curious, where all of the above came from?

 

[Albion]

Listen, you can twist it however you like.

I am only stating this, which many studies support; the higher education one achieves, the less likely they are to be religious and or believe in Gods.

I think the reason for this phenomenon definitely owes to a number of social factors and is not at all as portrayed--that smarter or more aware people supposedly tend to be non-religious.

 

[popsthebuilder]

I made a simple statement; higher levels of education achieved, correlate with less belief in God and religion.

I said nothing more or less and I am quite curious, where all of the above came from?

Was just refuting what you said. I suppose I took offense to what you said on some level.

 

[bhsmte]

Was just refuting what you said. I suppose I took offense to what you said on some level.

I don't see how you refuted a correlation between higher educations achieved and less belief in religion.

But hey, whatever.

 

[popsthebuilder]

I don't see how you refuted a correlation between higher educations achieved and less belief in religion.

But hey, whatever.

Let me put it differently; through standardized "education" one limits their perception to the limits exuded on them by their "higher education". I wouldn't expect you to understand as you may be advocating it for your own benefit.

 

[bhsmte]

Let me put it differently; through standardized "education" one limits their perception to the limits exuded on them by their "higher education". I wouldn't expect you to understand as you may be advocating it for your own benefit.

This would appear to mean, when people understand the reality of our world better through education, they are less likely to believe in super natural deities?

 

[popsthebuilder]

This would appear to mean, when people understand the reality of our world better through education, they are less likely to believe in super natural deities?

It means that through the tunnel vision of the material one can only comprehend the material.

 

[bhsmte]

It means that through the tunnel vision of the material one can only comprehend the material.

Is it not a good thing to understand the natural world we live in through education?

And, if you have a means to understand and comprehend things outside of the natural world that we can observe, can you demonstrate this for us?

 

[Albion]

This would appear to mean, when people understand the reality of our world better through education, they are less likely to believe in super natural deities?

That's what we are supposed to believe, but it's a defective thesis. There are a bunch of other factors that would have to be considered in addition to determining what constitutes being "well educated."