Is God a liar?

[BobRyan]

Not quite, since Adam was made the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants,

1. The Bible says Adam was made on the 6th day - read Genesis 1.
2. There are NO "days" in Genesis 2 - it has no chronology with 2nd day, 3rd day, 4th day etc.

 

[Job8]

1. The Bible says Adam was made on the 6th day - read Genesis 1

Bob,
Some people will never grasp the structure of the creation account.

 

[Aman777]

1. The Bible says Adam was made on the 6th day - read Genesis 1.
2. There are NO "days" in Genesis 2 - it has no chronology with 2nd day, 3rd day, 4th day etc.

1. False, since Adam was made the 3rd Day according to:

4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

This verse is speaking of "in the day" the earth was made:

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

The Earth was made on the 3rd Day according to:

Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth;
Notice also that plants herbs and trees GREW on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12

Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass...13 And the evening and the morning were the third day

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

See? Adam, the first Human, was formed on the 3rd Day after the first Earth was made but BEFORE the plants, herbs and rain.

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed. 9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

See? The TREES were made AFTER Adam was made on the 3rd Day.

2. Not quite since Gen 2:1-3 speaks of the 7th Day. Also false since Gen 2:4-7 (above speaks of the 3rd Day). Gen 2:19 speaks of the 6th Day when the beasts of the field and fowl were made and Adam named them. Gen 2:22 also shows that Eve was made AFTER the beasts of the field and birds on the 6th Day.

Just one question. HOW could Adam name the beasts of the field and birds since, according to the traditional religious view, Adam wasn't made until the 6th Day AFTER the beasts of the Earth were named by him? Gen 1:24-25

Adam was formed from the dust on the 3rd Day and "created" in God's Image or born again Spiritually, in Christ, on the present 6th Day at the SAME time Eve was "created" in God's Image or born again Spiritually in Christ. Since BOTH were created Spiritually at the SAME time, and Eve was NOT made until the 6th Day Gen 2:22, their creation in God's Image came AFTER their formation physically.

From the New Testament:

1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

 

[Aman777]

Bob,
Some people will never grasp the structure of the creation account.

Amen, and Bob is one of them. Now, we can include Job8. Amen?

 

[mmksparbud]

Give it up Bob----Job8 is right. You can quote scripture till Jesus comes, he/she (?) can only repeat the same thing. Many have tried, including me. This one falls under the category of:
(2Ti 3:5) Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Denies the power of God to speak a world into existence in 6 days, each day according to this theory, takes millions of years. This, in spite of the fact that the bible says, after each of God's pronouncements--"and it was so."---not it will be so. Can't see it. Good luck, though---

 

[Aman777]

Give it up Bob----Job8 is right. You can quote scripture till Jesus comes, he/she (?) can only repeat the same thing. Many have tried, including me. This one falls under the category of:
(2Ti 3:5) Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Denies the power of God to speak a world into existence in 6 days, each day according to this theory, takes millions of years. This, in spite of the fact that the bible says, after each of God's pronouncements--"and it was so."---not it will be so. Can't see it. Good luck, though---

False, since the 6th Day continues....AND....some cannot show any time in the past when Humans have had dominion over ALL living creatures including viruses, mosquitoes, and Angels as Gen 1:28 states. They also ignore this fact from the NT. 1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge Angels?

In order to prop up their ancient beliefs, these people REJECT God's Truth in favor of man's ancient made up Religious Theories, which cannot be supported Scripturally. They don't believe what Isaiah tells us about the time AFTER Jesus returns to this Planet and changes ALL living creatures into vegetarians, Gen 1:30 a FUTURE event as the following verse confirms:

Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

When you show them what Scripture actually says, they revert back to their unsupportable positions and call you names and imply that you're a phony Christian. May the Lord open their eyes and lead them to His real Truth. Amen?

 

[BobRyan]

Give it up Bob----Job8 is right. You can quote scripture till Jesus comes, he/she (?) can only repeat the same thing. Many have tried, including me. This one falls under the category of:
(2Ti 3:5) Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Denies the power of God to speak a world into existence in 6 days, each day according to this theory, takes millions of years. This, in spite of the fact that the bible says, after each of God's pronouncements--"and it was so."---not it will be so. Can't see it. Good luck, though---

I freely admit that no amount of truth will convince some folks of it - but my goal is almost never to convince the one I am debating - rather my goal it provide best evidence to -- the readers.

 

[Aman777]

I freely admit that no amount of truth will convince some folks of it - but my goal is almost never to convince the one I am debating - rather my goal it provide best evidence to -- the readers.

The easiest way to convince me is to refute me Scripturally.

 

[BobRyan]

The easiest way to convince me is to refute me Scripturally.

been there - done that.

1. The Bible says Adam was made on the 6th day - read Genesis 1.
2. There are NO "days" in Genesis 2 - it has no chronology with 2nd day, 3rd day, 4th day etc.

 

[Aman777]

been there - done that.

In your dreams.

BobRyan said: ↑
1. The Bible says Adam was made on the 6th day - read Genesis 1.

You must still be using your altered and paraphrased version. Here's what is actually written.

Gen 1:27 So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

The above verse shows that God (Elohim-the Trinity) created or SPOKE and man was "created" in God's Image, which is in Christ Spiritually, Eternally. Notice that this happened on the 6th Day and that BOTH male and female "created He them" at the SAME time. Gen 5:1-2

This was NOT when man was formed from the dust of the ground on the 3rd Day by the Hands of the Lord God (YHWH/Jesus) in this verse:

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

See? You have confused Jesus (YHWH) with the Trinity,(Elohim) thus making of no affect the fact that Jesus formed mankind AND The Trinity "created him" Spiritually. How can you understand the words of Gen 1:25 which speak of His kinds and Their kinds if you don't know the difference?

2. There are NO "days" in Genesis 2 - it has no chronology with 2nd day, 3rd day, 4th day etc

God did not write Genesis by man's rules. He hid His Truth from ancient men in the Future discoveries of Science and History, which could NOT be understood until the Last Days of this Earth. God tells Daniel how He does it:

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Science is just now discovering what God told us in Genesis. As knowledge increases in the last days, the Truth of Genesis will be exposed to all. In order to find God's Truth, STUDY and knowledge are necessary. 2Ti 2:15

The Days of Genesis Chapter 2:

Gen 2:1-3 speaks of the Future 7th Day which has no end, no evening.
Gen 2:4-17 speaks of and adds details to the 3rd Day, when Adam was made before the plants, herbs and Trees and details of the Garden.
Gen 2:18-25 speaks on the present 6th Day when Jesus made the beasts of the field and birds and Adam named them. The LAST creature made by Jesus (Lord God) was Eve, because Jesus KNEW Adam would sin and bring death on all Humans, because of his love for Eve.

Therefore Genesis 2 speaks of the 7th, 3rd, and 6th Day IF you have the proper interpretation which agrees with God's Holy Word. Amen?

 

[BobRyan]

In your dreams.

BobRyan said: ↑
1. The Bible says Adam was made on the 6th day - read Genesis 1.

You must still be using your altered and paraphrased version. Here's what is actually written.

Gen 1:27 So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

The above verse shows that God (Elohim-the Trinity) created or SPOKE and man was "created" in God's Image, which is in Christ Spiritually, Eternally. Notice that this happened on the 6th Day and that BOTH male and female "created He them" at the SAME time. Gen 5:1-2

Which ended your entire story of man created on day 3 instead of day 6.

That is when man was made - both male and female made on day 6.

Your entire line of speculation and extreme inference comes to a dead end right there.

 

[Aman777]

Which ended your entire story of man created on day 3 instead of day 6.

That is when man was made - both male and female made on day 6.

Your entire line of speculation and extreme inference comes to a dead end right there.

Not quite, since man was "formed" the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4-7

4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

Adam's Earth was made the 3rd Day. Gen 1:10

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

The plants, herbs and TREES grew on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12 On this 3rd Day before the Trees....

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Keep reading and you will find that the TREES were made AFTER man was made. Gen 8-9

Who is this man? I've shown you it was Adam and that he was created in God's Image or born again Spiritually on the 6th Day. Gen 1:27 and Gen 5:1-2 Can't you understand that Adam was made the 3rd Day by Jesus and Created in Christ Eternally and Spiritually, by the Trinity, on the 6th Day?

It takes the AGREEMENT of the Trinity to "create". Gen 1:26 AND John 14:16 That is WHY Gen 2:4-7 shows that it was Jesus who "formed" Adam on the 3rd Day. Amen?

 

[BobRyan]

In your dreams.

BobRyan said: ↑
1. The Bible says Adam was made on the 6th day - read Genesis 1.

You must still be using your altered and paraphrased version. Here's what is actually written.

Gen 1:27 So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

The above verse shows that God (Elohim-the Trinity) created or SPOKE and man was "created" in God's Image, which is in Christ Spiritually, Eternally. Notice that this happened on the 6th Day and that BOTH male and female "created He them" at the SAME time. Gen 5:1-2

Which ended your entire story of man created on day 3 instead of day 6.

That is when man was made - both male and female made on day 6.

Your entire line of speculation and extreme inference comes to a dead end right there.

Gen 1:27 So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

The above verse shows that God (Elohim-the Trinity) created or SPOKE and man was "created" in God's Image, which is in Christ Spiritually, Eternally. Notice that this happened on the 6th Day and that BOTH male and female "created He them" at the SAME time. Gen 5:1-2

Not quite, since man was "formed" the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4-7

"man was formed the 3rd day" is you "quoting you" it is not you quoting Gen 2:4-7 -- as I think we all know by now.

Keep reading and you will find that the TREES were made AFTER man was made. Gen 8-9

here again "you quote you" for the text "TREES were made AFTER man was made"

You are free to be your own Bible -- but few others on this board will go for you being their Bible as well.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Aman777]

"man was formed the 3rd day" is you "quoting you" it is not you quoting Gen 2:4-7 -- as I think we all know by now.

False accusation followed by another one:

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Aman:>>Keep reading and you will find that the TREES were made AFTER man was made. Gen 8-9

Bob:>>here again "you quote you" for the text "TREES were made AFTER man was made"

You are free to be your own Bible -- but few others on this board will go for you being their Bible as well.

Gen 2:7 shows when man was formed of the ground and this is what happened after man was made.

Gen 2:8 ¶ And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed. Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

See? It is God's Holy Word which says this and not just Aman. Are you still reading your altered version of Scripture which has confused you so much?

 

[BobRyan]

Gen 2:4-9 is a great place not to find this statement "man was 'formed' on the 3rd Day. "

There are in fact no numbered days in Genesis 2:4- end

 

[brotherjerry]

Yeah I have no idea what AMan is talking about....

Aman your doctrine that we are still in the 6th day is logically broken as well as Biblically incorrect.
Man had dominion over all of that in the Garden of Eden, before the fall. Man was made in the image of God and was genetically perfect, so were all other creatures. You do realize that not all virii and bacteria are harmful correct?

The Bible also says we are not made in the image of God anymore. Genesis 5 says that all men after Adam and Eve were created in the image of Adam. Genesis 5:3 "he became the father of a son in his own likeness, acfording to his image, and named him Seth" Men are born in the image of Adam after the fall...separated from God.

 

[BobRyan]

The Bible says man was made on day 6 - in Gen 1 ... no speculating, guessing, eisegeting some other day "into the text".

there are NO numbered days at all in Gen 2:4-end. So nothing to "contradict" in terms of which numbered day something happened.

 

[Aman777]

Yeah I have no idea what AMan is talking about....

Aman your doctrine that we are still in the 6th day is logically broken as well as Biblically incorrect.

False, UNLESS you can show us when in the past ALL living creatures were vegetarians, which you cannot. However, I can show you clearly when ALL living creatures become vegetarians AFTER Jesus returns to this Planet to rule and reign for a thousand years. Isaiah 11 tells of the fulfillment of the prophecy of Gen 1:30. Verse 7 even speaks of Lions eating Straw.

***Man had dominion over all of that in the Garden of Eden, before the fall. Man was made in the image of God and was genetically perfect, so were all other creatures. You do realize that not all virii and bacteria are harmful correct?

Define God's Image, since He is an invisible Spirit and had NO physical image EXCEPT that of Jesus. Colossians 1:15 Jesus is the ONLY Image of the invisible God, the ONLY God ever formed or that ever will be formed, according to Isa 43:10. Before you falsely accuse me further, please explain that verse IF you can.

***The Bible also says we are not made in the image of God anymore. Genesis 5 says that all men after Adam and Eve were created in the image of Adam. Genesis 5:3 "he became the father of a son in his own likeness, acfording to his image, and named him Seth" Men are born in the image of Adam after the fall...separated from God.

Then, please explain WHY Jesus tells us that we MUST be born again, born Spiritually. Then and ONLY then, can we be "created in God's Image" or in Christ Spiritually. I await your view but I know you are mistaken, but go ahead and try to explain How we can be born again. Amen?

 

[brotherjerry]

False, UNLESS you can show us when in the past ALL living creatures were vegetarians, which you cannot

Aman...sorry don't work that way. Your the claimant, not me. You are claiming something different than what is established by the Bible and accepted as truth. The onus of proof is always on the claimant. So you should prove your point and in the process prove others are incorrect, because if others can also be correct then the the simplest solution is the one to go with.

Do you believe that as the Bible states man ate nothing but plants until after the flood?
Before the flood we had no need for the canine teeth we come with, obviously after the flood when we were allowed to eat meat the physiology that made that easier was brought forth in our genetic makeup. Thus we get a set of somewhat pointy teeth. Do you not think that is possible of the other predators of the world? Considering that even animals like cats and dogs that are meat eaters, also eat vegetation.

Define God's Image, since He is an invisible Spirit and had NO physical image EXCEPT that of Jesus. Colossians 1:15 Jesus is the ONLY Image of the invisible God, the ONLY God ever formed or that ever will be formed, according to Isa 43:10. Before you falsely accuse me further, please explain that verse IF you can.

God's image is that we were made up of a body, soul, and spirit...a triune nature just as God is. We are told not to fear those that can destroy the body, but instead fear Him that is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. (Matthew 10:28). When Adam ate of the fruit he died spiritually, and was no longer triune but instead just a body and soul. We are taught before being born in the spirit we are dead, that we are born dead, separated from God. We do not have the spirit within us. When we get saved (are born again) we are born with the spirit. It is said to be dwelling in us. Romans 8:9, Romans 8:11, 1 Corinthians 3:16, Ephesians 2:22, 2 Timothy 1:14, James 4:5, and more). Paul also then writes that we are complete spirit and soul and body (1 Thessalonians 5:23).

When man was without spirit is when Genesis 5 mentions that Adam had children in his own likeness...they were born spiritually dead, without a spirit. That is why Christ was needed, to be able to restore the in dwelling of the spirit.

Then, please explain WHY Jesus tells us that we MUST be born again, born Spiritually. Then and ONLY then, can we be "created in God's Image" or in Christ Spiritually. I await your view but I know you are mistaken, but go ahead and try to explain How we can be born again. Amen?

This is kinda answered in response to your previous question. Being born again is to receive the Holy Spirit, to be made complete again as it was in the beginning.

I am sure you won't believe any of that because you seem to be going down a path of hidden messages and trying to read between the lines. I find that many who try and reconcile what science says to the Bible often start to do the same thing...making days into millions of years, putting a billion years in between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 or some other oddity. I would strongly urge you to simply take the Bible as it says. The Bible says God took 6 days to create the universe and rested on the 7th. This is repeated elsewhere in the Bible. To make a presumption that we are in the 6th day, or that the 6 days actually equate to church ages or something similar is not what is found in the Bible. The Jews never considered anything like that, nor has anyone else because it simply does not fit with the rest of the Bible and with what we find outside of the Bible that reaffirms what is in the Bible.

 

[Aman777]

Aman...sorry don't work that way. Your the claimant, not me. You are claiming something different than what is established by the Bible and accepted as truth. The onus of proof is always on the claimant. So you should prove your point and in the process prove others are incorrect, because if others can also be correct then the the simplest solution is the one to go with.

Perhaps you missed my supporting Scripture which shows that EVERY creature becoming a vegetarian is AFTER Jesus returns, a future event.

>>>False, UNLESS you can show us when in the past ALL living creatures were vegetarians, which you cannot. However, I can show you clearly when ALL living creatures become vegetarians AFTER Jesus returns to this Planet to rule and reign for a thousand years. Isaiah 11 tells of the fulfillment of the prophecy of Gen 1:30. Verse 7 even speaks of Lions eating Straw.<<<

Here's the verse:

Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

ALSO, Unless today remains the 6th Day, then the LORD told Adam a lie and satan told them the Truth since Adam did NOT die in 24 hours AND he and Eve were "created in God's Image" or born again Spiritually AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2


ALSO, you CLAIM Adam died Spiritually when he sinned, which is supposing that God the Trinity made a mistake when He created him Spiritually and Eternally. Do you believe God makes mistakes?

ALSO, You idea that Adam was made Spiritually at first is not true, since this verse from the New Testament says:

1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was NOT first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

ALSO, you must believe that Adam and Eve will not be in Heaven, which would be True, UNLESS they were created in God's Image or born again Spiritually in Christ, which they were. Gen 5:1-2

ALSO, Gen 2:1 shows that God's work is "finished" or brought to perfection and that ALL the host of Heaven are in Heaven, on the 7th Day. Don't you know that when God's work is finished, it's perfect, or God didn't do it? Do you believe today's world is perfect while thousands of little children are dying of hunger Today? God sees the end from the beginning Isa 46:10 and He told us our future at the end of the present 6th Day, thousands of years ago.

ALSO, Gen 2:2-3 REPEAT that God rests from "ALL" of His work on the 7th Day, which is future to our time. Heb 4:9 IF God had rested from ALL His work in the beginning, then HOW could anyone be saved since it takes the AGREEMENT of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to create a New Creature in Christ? Gen 1:26 and John 14:16

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made; and He rested (CEASED) on the seventh day from ALL His work which He had made. Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested (CEASED) from ALL His work which God created and made.

IF God had rested in the beginning, then HOW did Jesus (Who is God) die on the Cross since according to Gen 2:2-3, God rested from ALL of His work thousands of years before Jesus was crucified? IF God had rested in the beginning, then HOW could the Holy Spirit's (Who is God) work continue today?

Some teach that God rested for 24 hours in the beginning, then went back to work and hasn't rested since. IF you believe this, then you AGREE with ancient theologians who later called for the crucifixion of their own God. Are you Jewish? Or do you follow their Theology?

God's creation of Adam (mankind) Spiritually and Eternally continues today as ANY Gospel preacher will tell you. We live today at Gen 1:27 because God continues to create Adam (mankind) in His Image, which is In Christ Spiritually. God will NOT rest until His Creation is made perfect at the end of the present 6th Day. Amen?