Is God a liar?

[BobRyan]

Gen 1
27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. 30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food”; and it was so. 31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

For in SIX days the LORD MADE ...

Past tense.

"See I HAVE given you..." - past tense.

Ex 20:8-11 is a summary of the single 7 day creation week of Gen 1:2-2:4 -- irrefutably "SIX Days you shall labor...for in Six days the LORD made".

Not "Scattered within the year - sometime here or there - you should work six days... because scattered over time - God sprinkled in SIX days of His own to work". Nothing like that in all of scripture.

 

[-57]

True - we call that "conflict of interest".

Tends to reduce objectivity.

We also call it a false gospel.

 

[Aman777]

Gen 1
27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

Amen. Since God is STILL creating man (Adam) in His Image which is Spiritually in Christ, we are STILL at Gen 1:27 and we will NOT proceed into the Prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until Jesus returns to this Earth.

*** 29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. 30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food”; and it was so.

Since the event will NOT happen until Jesus returns, it's prophecy of a future event. Read Isa 11 to see when the details of when prophecy is fulfilled. Or explain, when in the past, this event took place.

*** 31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

God, Who sees the end from the beginning proclaims that everything is very good or very perfect as He looks upon the darkness of the world, which will crucify Jesus and destroy mankind for thousands of years. I don't think so. The end of the present 6th Day/Age is future.

>>>For in SIX days the LORD MADE ...

Past tense.


False, Hebrew Imperfect tense. You have confused the English tense with the Hebrew tense. The Hebrew tense show that the event continues.

"See I HAVE given you..." - past tense.

False. Hebrew Imperfect tense which shows an InComplete action. That's because the Creation continues today as God is filling the 3rd Heaven with it's Host. Gen 2:1 shows that "ALL" it's host includes the LAST sinner who will be saved since the Church would be incomplete without them.

*** Ex 20:8-11 is a summary of the single 7 day creation week of Gen 1:2-2:4 -- irrefutably "SIX Days you shall labor...for in Six days the LORD made".

Not "Scattered within the year - sometime here or there - you should work six days... because scattered over time - God sprinkled in SIX days of His own to work". Nothing like that in all of scripture.

It's called parallelism. God has but 6 Days of labor and today is the 6th UNLESS you can show us where mankind has had dominion over every other creature in the past, including viruses mosquitoes and Angels. Gen 1:28 This prophecy cannot take place until the end of the present 6th Day of labor since God is STILL creating people Spiritually in Christ. This assures them that they will be Immortal Beings like Adam was BEFORE the fall. In Heaven, we live on the 7th Day, which has no evening and no end. It's Eternity and will never come to an end, thanks to Jesus. Amen?

 

[BobRyan]

When dealing with proper interpretation of the text - spiritualizing all the details away to eisegete whatever the whim of the day dictates - is not compelling interpretation of any text.

When it comes to the Gen 1 context:

God is not "still creating the sun" on day 4.

God is not "still creating plants" on day 3 -- no matter how many new plants grow each year.

God is not "still creating air" on day 2 -- no matter how much O2 plants produce each year.

God is not "still creating man" on day 6 - no matter how many babies are born --

When it comes to proper Bible interpretation - that is compelling, context is everything, and "details matter".

 

[Aman777]

When dealing with proper interpretation of the text - spiritualizing all the details away to eisegete whatever the whim of the day dictates - is not compelling interpretation of any text.

When it comes to the Gen 1 context:

God is not "still creating the sun" on day 4.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, (Sun?) and the lesser light to rule the night (Moon?) He made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day (Sun?) and over the night, (Moon?) and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Since God "made" the Sun? and the Moon? on the 4th Day, I can accept your understanding only if you are speaking of remaking the Sun.

*****God is not "still creating plants" on day 3 -- no matter how many new plants grow each year.

God is not "still creating air" on day 2 -- no matter how much O2 plants produce each year.

God is not "still creating man" on day 6 - no matter how many babies are born --<<<

Amen, but since we live on the Day of Salvation, God is STILL creating New creatures in Christ, Spiritually, TODAY. Gen 1:27 Just ask ANY Bible believing preacher. IF God the Trinity has already rested (ceased creating) from ***ALL*** Gen 2:2-3 of His work, it's too late to be created in Christ Spiritually. It takes the AGREEMENT of the Trinity to create a new Christian. Gen 1:26 and John 14:16

*** When it comes to proper Bible interpretation - that is compelling, context is everything, and "details matter".

I realize that my views are controversial but they AGREE in every way with EVERY discovery of mankind AND they agree with what is actually written in God's Holy Word. That's God's Literal Truth and it will totally refute most of man's ancient religious views. Please don't get mad at me for showing you God's Truth, as actually written, instead of what Religion has taught that it says.

Only in these last days are we finally understanding what God told us in Genesis. God hid His Literal Truth from mankind until the end of the world. Here is HOW God hid His Truth from ancient theologians:

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Every new discovery of Science confirms what God told us in Genesis. As the end nears and knowledge increases, God's Truth in Genesis will be revealed more and more, every day, from now on. I find that that latest discovery could be the first view of the 3rd Heaven. Amen? God Bless you

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...s-could-be-first-glimpse-of-another-universe/

 

[BobRyan]

Ex 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Notice "FOR IN" drives the point home - that man is to do exactly as God did - working six days and resting on the 7th day. A 7 day creation week - set in stone - in LAW.

Your response to Ex 20:8-11 is of the form "on the contrary...".
You can choose that route if you wish -- you have free will.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night He made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Since God "made" the Sun? and the Moon? on the 4th Day, I can accept your understanding only if you are speaking of remaking the Sun.

Did you find "remaking the sun" in the text - or is this more "insert" material?

*****God is not "still creating plants" on day 3 -- no matter how many new plants grow each year.

God is not "still creating air" on day 2 -- no matter how much O2 plants produce each year.

God is not "still creating man" on day 6 - no matter how many babies are born --<<<

Amen, but since we live on the Day of Salvation, God is STILL creating New creatures in Christ

No "Day of Salvation" mentioned in Gen 1-2 or in Ex 20:8-11 for creation week -- is that yet another "insert" you propose for the text?

Reading the Bible is one thing -- writing a new one is another.

 

[Aman777]

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night He made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Did you find "remaking the sun" in the text - or is this more "insert" material?

*****God is not "still creating plants" on day 3 -- no matter how many new plants grow each year.

God is not "still creating air" on day 2 -- no matter how much O2 plants produce each year.

God is not "still creating man" on day 6 - no matter how many babies are born --<<<

***No "Day of Salvation" mentioned in Gen 1-2 or in Ex 20:8-11 for creation week -- is that yet another "insert" you propose for the text?

Yes, but it is hidden to most people. It is hidden in the Outline of ALL of the rest of the Bible, in the first 34 verses of Genesis which tell us the complete HISTORY of God's 7 Days/Ages in His Creation. God wrote the entire History of His creation in those verses and ALL of the rest of the Bible fills in the DETAILS.

Genesis Chapter one is the outline of the 6 Creative Days/Ages which continue today, since God is STILL creating Adam (Heb-mankind) Gen 1:27 in Christ since He is the ONLY Image of the invisible Spirit of God. Col 1:15 The first 3 verses of Gen two tells us of a future Day/Age which has NO ending. It's the 7th Day, which is also Eternity. That is God's Literal Truth as written in His Holy Word.

*** Reading the Bible is one thing -- writing a new one is another.

False implication. Why don't you try to refute me Scripturally? Tell us what Day it is for 7th Day Adventists. No tricks. i just don't know. Amen?

 

[BobRyan]

Very imaginative

But still does not constitute justification for bending or wrenching the text of Genesis 1 and 2 - - just to fit the imagination.

 

[Aman777]

Very imaginative

But still does not constitute justification for bending or wrenching the text of Genesis 1 and 2 - - just to fit the imagination.

Here is the One story of the creation as told in Genesis 1 and 2:

Genesis chapter one is the entire History of the 6 Creative Days/Ages of Creation
Gen 2:1-3 tells us of the 7th Day/Age when God rests from ALL of His work.

Gen 2:4 takes us back to the 3rd Day and adds details to the events of the 3rd Day including the fact that man was made from the dust on the 3rd Day Gen 2:7.

The rest of Genesis 2 tells of the events in the Garden including the making of Eve from Adam's rib Gen 2:22 AFTER the beasts of the field and birds are made. Genesis 3 tells of the events which happen AFTER Adam disobeys.

ALL of the rest of the Bible (from Gen 2:4-Rev 22) refers BACK to one of God's 7 Days/Ages of Creation and adds details to the outline shown in the first 34 verses of Scripture. That is God's Literal Truth which agrees in every way with Scripture, Science, and History. Amen?

 

[BobRyan]

Here is the 1 historic account of the creation of the world -

Gen 1:1 - God created the universe.
Genesis 1:2-2:4 - God created earth and our solar system and all life on earth. All in a real 7 day week.
Genesis 2:5-25 - when creating the Earth - God also created Eden, and Marriage covenant for Adam and Eve, and created the tree of life, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil - and law that forbade eating of the tree of knowledge of evil.

And this is codefied into LAW "For in SIX days the Lord made the heavens the earth the seas and all that is in them and rested the 7th day" Ex 20:11

Then in Gen 3:1-6 mankind falls from that sinless, pristine, deathless, state and is doomed to die because man no longer has access to the tree of life.


This is the point where Genesis 3 introduces the Gospel - after having fully explained why it is needed.

 

[Aman777]

Here is the 1 historic account of the creation of the world -

Gen 1:1 - God created the universe.

Sorry, but Earth (Hebrew-ground) without form, does not make a Universe. In Gen 1:1 God creates matter, first the Air or Heaven and then Earth or ground. When water comes from the Heaven, it consists of hydrogen and oxygen, two gases. Jesus uses these 3 creation elements to form ALL physical matter. Jesus scatted some of these elements on the 3rd Day by "inflating" them at the big bang of our cosmos. Gen 2:4 That is WHY we have the dust of the first Stars within our bodies, today.

***Genesis 1:2-2:4 - God created earth and our solar system and all life on earth. All in a real 7 day week.

False, since today remains the 6th Creative Day UNLESS you can tell us when in the past EVERY living creature was a vegetarian. Gen 1:30 You cannot tell us this since it's PROPHECY of events which will NOT happen until Jesus returns to this Earth to rule and reign for a thousand years.

Genesis 2:4 is speaking of other HeavenS (plural) which were made the 3rd Day, the SAME Day Adam's Earth was made. With your insight, tell us about the 3rd Heaven, spoken of in ll Cor. 12:2. Where did it come from?

*** Genesis 2:5-25 - when creating the Earth - God also created Eden, and Marriage covenant for Adam and Eve, and created the tree of life, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil - and law that forbade eating of the tree of knowledge of evil.

God formed Adam's Earth from the air, dust, and water made before the first Day. Gen 1:1-2 God put water into the firmament or solid boundary of Adam's world which protected his world from the water which totally surrounded it Gen 1:6-8 and the dry ground appeared on top of the water. Gen 1:9-10 It was a FLAT Earth and it's highest elevation was only 22.5 feet. Gen 7:20

*** And this is codefied into LAW "For in SIX days the Lord made the heavens the earth the seas and all that is in them and rested the 7th day" Ex 20:11

That is God's Truth of the Creation....BUT...since God has only 7 Days and the 7th is Eternity and today remains the 6th Day/Age in the creation of the perfect 3rd Heaven, the Days are billions of years in length, in man's time. The present 6th Creative Day began when Adam named the animals made from the dust Gen 2:19 and it will NOT end until AFTER our Cosmos is burned. ll Peter 3:10

*** Then in Gen 3:1-6 mankind falls from that sinless, pristine, deathless, state and is doomed to die because man no longer has access to the tree of life.

Amen. Just one specific. Adam was made BEFORE the Tree of Life was made according to Gen 2:8-9

*** This is the point where Genesis 3 introduces the Gospel - after having fully explained why it is needed.

Amen, for you are speaking of shedding the blood of animals for the remission of sins, BUT that is only a picture of Jesus shedding His blood for the remission of all of mankind's sins. God KNEW Adam would sin since Jesus was crucified from the foundation of the world, in God's mind. Rev 13:8

 

[mark kennedy]

And in choosing that particular story you have to ignore a great many details in the text.

Not the least of which is that Gen 1:2-2:4 presents a time-boxed chronological sequence and Genesis 2:5-25 does not.

You know Bob, the whole idea that Genesis 1 and 2 contradict has been nothing but an argument based on insistence since it's inception. The Genesis 2 account is obviously an expansion of the creation of Man. Sometimes if people would just let the narrative tell the story these controversies would take care of themselves. There is, btw, mention of domesticated plants that had not sprung up because God had not caused it to rain, it's actually a different word in the original. There are a lot of details like that lost in the mess cause by this hyper critical attitude the modernist is obsessed with.

Not at all true. A few easy examples illustrate the point.

Mankind is created in Gen 1:2-2:4 and yet is not conflicted in any way with "added details" in Gen 2 that man was created before woman and that their names were Adam, and Eve. These facts "build" upon the facts of Genesis 1 - they do not create an conflicting time boxed chronological sequence.

Right! It's an expansion, kind of moving in closer to take a better look.

Plants, trees and humans are created in Gen 1 - and in Gen 2 we also find that there is a tree of life, and a tree of knowledge of good and evil. Again -- we have details that add to the account in Gen 1 without creating a contradictory time-boxed chronological sequence.

Plants are created in Gen 1 - but in Gen 2 we learn that the planets are watered by dew rising up from the earth - rather than by rain. That is stated without creating a contradictory time-boxed chronological sequence.

There is no indication of a contradiction, there can be some issues with the way it's translated because there are different plants in focus.

By insisting that the accounts be in contradiction one ends up with the illogical claim that "someone" reads the first account and then "inserts a conflicting account" 1 page later. Whether it is all done by one person or two changes nothing in the fact that there is no logic to it.

I wouldn't call it illogical, I would call it fallacious. It's a fatally flawed argument being argued in circles. The only way it's a contradiction is if the two accounts a mutually exclusive and there is no indication of that.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[Hoghead1]

Can't say that I agree with you, Mark. The claim for a contradiction here is based on the solid facts of two conflicting chronologies written in very different literary styles form two different authors in very different time periods. Either you have a far superior understanding of Hebrew that the biblical scholars or you don't really understand the situation here. I place my bets on the latter. Let's go more into detail. It is especially the case with self-styled online apologists to claim they can easily explain away any and all contradictions in Scripture. One favorite approach is something like you allege, the two-creation theory. gen. 1 describes the creation of the world, while Gen, 2 just deals with events in the Garden of Eden. Hence, no contradiction. Looks convincing to many laity. However, it just does not work. It simply cannot for all the personnel here and then leads to some wild conclusions. Case in point: During the Middle Ages an attempt was made to develop this two-creation approach. One major problem was how many wives Adam had. There is an unnamed woman created in Gen. 1, and then a second woman, Eve, created in Gen. 2. How to account for this? The argument was that Adam simply had two wives. The woman in Gen. 1 was Adam's first wife, Lilith. She was too aggressive sexually for Adam, so God gave him a second wife, Eve, who was more submissive. Lilith ran off, became a kind of witch that attacks children, so that many a crib read, "God save us from Lilith." A variation on the two-creation theory is the pluperfect theory, again feature by online self-styled apologists. Accordingly, the translators blew it with Gen. 2, as it should have been all translated in the pluperfect tense. Hence, the line should read "So God had created all the animals." This refers back to Gen. 1 and explains away any apparent contradiction. It look good to laity, but it doesn't work. There is no pluperfect tense in Hebrew, period. So we are back to square one. Since you claim there is no contradiction here, the burden of proof falls upon you to explain all this away. I await you explanation, but am not holding my breath. While you are at it, how about looking at another major contradiction in Scripture. Just who did kill Goliath? David? Elhanan? And no fairs using the old claim that Elhanan killed only "the brother of" Goliath. I know some Bibles include that. However, it is often in italics, simply because the original Hebrew has no "brother of" here. Again, since it appears to be your assumption that there are no contradictions in Scripture, the burden rests on you to explain away this one. And no fairs using the two-Goliath theory featured by some self-styled apologists. Common sense alone should tell you that stinks. I await your explanation, but am not holding my breath.

 

[BobRyan]

You know Bob, the whole idea that Genesis 1 and 2 contradict has been nothing but an argument based on insistence since it's inception. The Genesis 2 account is obviously an expansion of the creation of Man. Sometimes if people would just let the narrative tell the story these controversies would take care of themselves. There is, btw, mention of domesticated plants that had not sprung up because God had not caused it to rain, it's actually a different word in the original.

Agreed. The farming and tilling of the soil form of obtaining food does not come into being until Genesis 3. Prior to that they had the fruit of the trees - nuts and fruits.

 

[BobRyan]

Can't say that I agree with you, Mark. The claim for a contradiction here is based on the solid facts of two conflicting chronologies

Correction - one single time boxed chronological 7 sequence - nothing of the sort at all in Genesis 2. The Genesis 2 "added details" contain no chronology - no unit of time is given at all. And nothing there about birds, fish, air, land, the sun, the moon, ... things that exist as it turns out such that many people today are pretty sure about it. Even the much-imagined primitive writer of Gen 2 would have known about breathing and the sun and fish.... The idea that such a writer was trying to come up with a world that had no such thing "so as to contradict the previous page" is stretch beyond reason.

Details matter.

 

[Hoghead1]

Can't say that I agree, Mark. The notion of two contradictory accounts may seem odd or controversial to you, but it is a standard, well-accepted point in modern biblical studies. You say let the texts speak for themselves. That's precisely what biblical studies does and precisely why it is widely accepted there are two contradictory accounts here. The best way to read the Bible is to go on the plain text and anyone can see the plain text states two conflicting chronologies. Furthermore, careful linguistic study of the texts shows two radically different writing styles coming from different periods in Israeli history. You, of course, can deny this if you want, but then you are gong against scholars who have a far more advanced of Hebrew, etc., than you do. Also, as I have pointed out in more than one pervious emails, the main attempts to fuse these accounts into one all fail.

 

[Aman777]

mark kennedy said: ↑
You know Bob, the whole idea that Genesis 1 and 2 contradict has been nothing but an argument based on insistence since it's inception. The Genesis 2 account is obviously an expansion of the creation of Man. Sometimes if people would just let the narrative tell the story these controversies would take care of themselves. There is, btw, mention of domesticated plants that had not sprung up because God had not caused it to rain, it's actually a different word in the original.

Agreed. The farming and tilling of the soil form of obtaining food does not come into being until Genesis 3. Prior to that they had the fruit of the trees - nuts and fruits.

Not quite since the plants GREW on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12

Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after His kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after His kind: and God saw that it was good. Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Nothing is said about rain because there was NO rain on Adam's Earth, until the Flood. Water came up from the ground to water the whole Earth.

Gen 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, (Hebrew- land or ground) and watered the whole face of the ground. (Hebrew-land or earth)

AFTER Adam was made, the Trees were made and placed in the Garden. Gen 2:8-9. This was on the 3rd Day, the SAME Day Adam's Earth was made but BEFORE the plants, herbs, and trees GREW. Gen 2:4-7 Amen?

 

[BobRyan]

You know Bob, the whole idea that Genesis 1 and 2 contradict has been nothing but an argument based on insistence since it's inception. The Genesis 2 account is obviously an expansion of the creation of Man. Sometimes if people would just let the narrative tell the story these controversies would take care of themselves. There is, btw, mention of domesticated plants that had not sprung up because God had not caused it to rain, it's actually a different word in the original.

Agreed. The farming and tilling of the soil form of obtaining food does not come into being until Genesis 3. Prior to that they had the fruit of the trees - nuts and fruits.

Not quite since the plants GREW on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12

Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after His kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after His kind: and God saw that it was good. Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Nothing is said about rain because there was NO rain

True - there was no rain until after the flood.

And true plants grew on day 3 (including trees) of that 7 day creation week - but on day 6 God created mankind and God gave mankind the fruit of the trees as food.

Gen 2
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

Gen 1
29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food

 

[BobRyan]

Can't say that I agree, Mark. The notion of two contradictory accounts may seem odd or controversial .

It appears to be contrived - inserting an imagined contradiction where none exists and then following up with no logic at all as for how that could even occur.

The plain direct reading of the text is best. Anyone can plainly see that there is exactly - one single time boxed chronological 7 sequence in that Genesis account - and nothing of the sort at all in Genesis 2. The Genesis 2 "added details" contain no chronology - no unit of time is given at all.

Nothing in Genesis 2 about birds, fish, air, land, the sun, the moon, ... things that exist as it turns out such that many people today are pretty sure about it.

Even the much-imagined (by some) primitive writer of Gen 2 would have known about breathing and the sun and fish.... The idea that such a writer was trying to come up with a world that had no such thing as air, or fish or seas or birds simply "so as to contradict the previous page" is stretch beyond reason.

 

[Aman777]

Agreed. The farming and tilling of the soil form of obtaining food does not come into being until Genesis 3. Prior to that they had the fruit of the trees - nuts and fruits.

True - there was no rain until after the flood.

And true plants grew on day 3 (including trees) of that 7 day creation week - but on day 6 God created mankind and God gave mankind the fruit of the trees as food.

Not quite, since Adam was made the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants, herbs and trees Gen 2:4-7 from the dust by YHWH/Jesus. Adam was "created" in God's Image or born again Spiritually in Christ, on the present 6th Day. God (Trinity) is STILL creating Adam (Heb-mankind) in His Image which is in Christ Spiritually. Col 1:15 This continues until Jesus returns for us.

*** Gen 2
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

This event happened on the present 6th Day and applies to ALL mankind. God later gave mankind to eat of animals, but that was AFTER Noah arrived on our Planet.
Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

This is changed back to eating green herbs for meat AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth at Armageddon. Gen 1:30 AND Isa 11:7

Gen 1
29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food

Gen 1:29 is Prophecy which you can read all about in Isaiah 11 after Jesus returns to this Planet. Amen?