Should we take "In God We Trust" off the dollar bill?

[Rosanna Miller]

Most of the Founding Fathers were deists for your information. It's against the first amendment, simple as that.

It doesn't matter what Religion they were, obviously the Constitution protected their freedom of religion. It is not against the First Amendment, simple as that.

 

[Rosanna Miller]

Can you explain why we should keep it? You didn't state an answer.

It is already in on there, I don't need to explain why we should keep it. The burden of proof is on those who say that it needs removed because it goes against the Constitution.

 

[Rosanna Miller]

Our constitution certainly violates the 1st commandment.

How so? That makes no sense.

 

[Skavau]

It is already in on there, I don't need to explain why we should keep it. The burden of proof is on those who say that it needs removed because it goes against the Constitution.

I'll just ask a general question.

Why should the state implicitly endorse theism?

 

[Rosanna Miller]

I'm not saying you are trusting the government. I'm saying the government is making that statement for you to the world. By saying "In God We Trust" the government has already decided for you that you have trust in God. Now, you may agree with that and be fine with it but there are many people who aren't. Many of them, Christians. Specifically because it is the government making the statement and not the individual.

No, it isn't making the statement for me. It seems pretty sad that you or others feel that. Either you believe or not in God. There are many gods in this world, many religions. Everyone worships a god. Who is god? God is the one who is in control in a person's life. So if a person rejects the God of the Bible or the god of any of the many other faiths, he assumes the position of being god.

So the saying, "In God We Trust," as you can see, takes on different meanings, based on who the person serves. If a person is offended by the Truth of things, then that is on them to prove how it does.

It is in only denying the existence of God, that conflict arises.

 

[Skavau]

No, it isn't making the statement for me. It seems pretty sad that you or others feel that. Either you believe or not in God. There are many gods in this world, many religions. Everyone worships a god. Who is god? God is the one who is in control in a person's life. So if a person rejects the God of the Bible or the god of any of the many other faiths, he assumes the position of being god.

This is semantic nonsense. A God is a supernatural entity commonly affirmed to have created the universe or in polytheism a sufficiently powerful enough being to be regarded as 'God'.

It is in only denying the existence of God, that conflict arises.

Yes damn those atheists who don't want their government telling them they should be theist through the pledge and currency!

 

[Rosanna Miller]

What a terrible thing to say to your fellow American. I would never tell you to leave if there was anything you didn't like about the country you were born and live in.

Whether you would or not makes no difference in the matter, you want to remove "In God We Trust" from the dollar bill without reason. Simply because you want to please everyone else is one of the problems of Americans today.


My fellow American isn't trying to take "In God We Trust," anymore than my fellow American is trying to change the Constitution to please sinful people.

 

[Rosanna Miller]

Please stop telling Americans to leave the country. You don't get to do that. That's not how it works. Our constitution has been amended 27 times and could be amended 27 more if the country lasts long enough.

Amending the Constitution is not the issue, there were good reasons for those changes. The problem is when we make changes to please people without reason.

 

[Rosanna Miller]

It's couldn't care less.... You could care less means you do care.

I know what I said and meant.
I said, "I could care less why you get upset."

Of course I care, I would not be here but feelings alone is not a factor in truth. Reason must come from facts, not feelings.

By ignoring the post, I could show that I cared less than I did by replying.

Using couldn't would not have expressed what I was saying properly. But thanks for looking out.

 

[Rosanna Miller]

The Declaration of Independence is not a legal US document as the US government did not exist then. It was put together by the continental congress, which was not bound by the US constitution, which was adopted 15 years later.

Also, if you knew your history, you'd know that the "creator" does not reference the Christian god. Jefferson was a deist who openly rejected the supernatural claims made by Christianity.

It doesn't matter what faith they were, the saying "In God We Trust" doesn't go against them. Nor does it go against anyone.

 

[Rosanna Miller]

On the contrary, if you want to undermine the secular nature of the country, I suggest you move and found your own theocratic nation.

We will see whom the Lord gives it. I know in whom I serve, I will not be moved by a million devils determined to bring hell on earth.

 

[Skavau]

We will see whom the Lord gives it. I know in whom I serve, I will not be moved by a million devils determined to bring hell on earth.

Wanting to remove "In God We Trust" = being determined to bring hell on earth?

 

[Rosanna Miller]

Actually, the constitution specifically forbids government favouritism towards one particular religious or non-religious group.

Government neutrality is the only constitutional option.

As such, I am fighting for constitutional principles. You're fighting for Christian privilege.

And actually the word "God" is not a religion. Nor does He represent a specific god. Whomever you serve is your god! Whether it be yourself or Muhammad or Jesus or.....

It is neutral! Obviously we have had men of different faiths in office, if our Constitution was not neutral, there would be only men of a certain faith in there. In Islam, they are not neutral, you cannot see the difference? No, you fight from some deep hatred toward your idea of God, I fight for what's right.

 

[Rosanna Miller]

It is attempting to speak for me though.

That's where the objection stands. It should be pretty clear to you by this point that's what we oppose as well. Please try to argue honestly.

"It" is? What is? Invisible enemies? Are you sure that God doesn't exist after all? lol

If it said "In Santa We Trust", it would make me laugh but it wouldn't offend me. Actually, if it said that I think it would fit better with this materialistic world. But I digress... lol

 

[Rosanna Miller]

Wanting to remove "In God We Trust" = being determined to bring hell on earth?

What do you mean that I am determined to bring it (hell) on earth?

My point was that a million devils (meaning those that are already here on earth) could not move me. I haven't determined them here, they are here.

 

[Rosanna Miller]

Wanting to remove "In God We Trust" = being determined to bring hell on earth?

What do you mean that I am determined to bring it (hell) on earth?

I said, "We will see whom the Lord gives it. I know in whom I serve, I will not be moved by a million devils determined to bring hell on earth."

Not everyone "knows god." You kind of do need to have faith in the government, if you want to live here, that is. Also, you can trust god all you want, but that doesn't govern a country nor does it help us in need. (With all due respect..)

DON'T KNOW WHY IT POSTED TWICE AND I CANNOT DELETE IT.....lol

 

[Skavau]

What do you mean that I am determined to bring it (hell) on earth?

My point was that a million devils (meaning those that are already here on earth) could not move me. I haven't determined them here, they are here.

You suggested that people wanting to remove "In God We Trust" from the currency was akin to wanting to bring hell on earth.

 

[Rosanna Miller]

You suggested that people wanting to remove "In God We Trust" from the currency was akin to wanting to bring hell on earth.

No I didn't. I said it in reply to someone who told me to move if I didn't like his secular world.

 

[Rosanna Miller]

this is basically semantics issue over the use of the word god.
face it, you wouldn't like it one bit if the word god was changed to allah.
as it stands, the phrase is (or can be considered to be) illegal.
changing the word god to creator would solve this.

Everyone serves God. Not everyone serves Allah.

 

[Skavau]

Everyone serves God. Not everyone serves Allah.

No-one accepts your semantics about God. You change the definition of 'God' to be completely meaningless. I don't believe in a supernatural entity of any kind.