Philosophical arguments against the existence of God

[quatona]

Not at all. The many many atheists who aren't Nihilists aren't living like atheists. They are living like theists. They are living as if the things they do really do ultimately matter in the grand scheme of things.

How do you tell the difference between someone who lives as if things matter in what you consider the "grand scheme of things" and someone who lives as if things matter in what you consider a "small scheme of things"?

They are living like they are somehow special and intrinsically valuable in the whole scheme of things.

Yes, they do. They just have a different idea what the "whole scheme of things" is.

Give us an idea how a consistent nihilist has to lead their lives, in your opinion.

The non-nihilist atheists have not come to terms and taken a long hard look at reality.

Maybe you could point me to those parts of reality that necessitate me to become a nihilist - just so your claims don´t remain completely empty?

I recommend to every non-nihilist atheist to read the works of Sarte, Camus, and other existentialist writers and to take their head out of the sand.

I have read them. What to it?

 

[anonymous person]

Why didn't you curse them and all their descendants?

Something they have in common with their father then.

Suppose they disobeyed you and decided to play on the roadside anyway, precariously close to traffic. From a distance, you see an oncoming truck. One of the children is walking onto the road and into its path. Do you just stand there and allow them to be hit by the truck out of some misguided respect for their free will? How would you justify this to the children's mother?

That's the problem: you've confused morality with mere obedience.

I get you find fault in me thinking that God allows certain things to happen that you think He should not allow to happen.

I get that.

What I don't get is what you think suffering and pain accomplish in your worldview? Talk to me about that.

You've been hurt. You've experienced pain and have experienced your loved ones experiencing pain. You turn and walk away from Christ because remember, you said you were a devout follower of His at one point.

So now Jesus Christ is no longer in the picture.

Yet still you have pain and suffering. Walking away from Christianity does nothing to alleviate or remove the pains and sorrow and suffering your experience.

In a world without God you still have pain and suffering. According to you, you still have good and evil which are simply words referencing what is conducive to homo sapien flourishing and not respectively.

How does some form of Naturalism resolve the problem of natural evil and suffering for you?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I get you find fault in me thinking that God allows certain things to happen that you think He should not allow to happen.

I get that.

What I don't get is what you think suffering and pain accomplish in your worldview? Talk to me about that.

You've been hurt. You've experienced pain and have experienced your loved ones experiencing pain. You turn and walk away from Christ because remember, you said you were a devout follower of His at one point.

So now Jesus Christ is no longer in the picture.

Yet still you have pain and suffering. Walking away from Christianity does nothing to alleviate or remove the pains and sorrow and suffering your experience.

In a world without God you still have pain and suffering. According to you, you still have good and evil which are simply words referencing what is conducive to homo sapien flourishing and not respectively.

How does some form of Naturalism resolve the problem of natural evil and suffering for you?

What a way to completely evade the questions put to you. They're still there. They haven't disappeared.

 

[Ana the Ist]

What a way to completely evade the questions put to you. They're still there. They haven't disappeared.

I pointed out one rather simple logical argument against gods' existence....

All I got was an evasion.

At that point I concluded the OP wasn't really interested in any philosophical arguments against god...just interested in making some for him.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I pointed out one rather simple logical argument against gods' existence....

All I got was an evasion.

At that point I concluded the OP wasn't really interested in any philosophical arguments against god...just interested in making some for him.

That and another debate.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I would also like to debate you on whether or not science is inimical to faith.

Given the severe doubts I have regarding your intellectual honesty in this discussion, I have no interest in debating you.

 

[Ana the Ist]

That and another debate.

Yea...didn't see that.

 

[anonymous person]

What a way to completely evade the questions put to you. They're still there. They haven't disappeared.

Then don't answer the question. It still remains. I'm also sorry that I don't respond to every point you attempt to make. I would love to. But I don't have time. If I address every single question and point you put to me, someone else will necessarily be left without having the things they address answered. So I try to be as fair as I can. In addition, anything I have already addressed will not be addressed again and again and again over and over and over.

Homo sapiens like orange trees that sometimes suffer due to a protracted and unusually cold winter, sometimes suffer. Homo sapiens sometimes experience pain like deer sometimes experience pain after having stepped in a hole in the woods.

I guess you could say that suffering and pain forces homo sapiens to adapt to their environment so that they can survive and pass on their genes.

If suffering and pain in a world without God can have a use, why think it couldn't in a world wherein God exists?

 

[anonymous person]

Given the severe doubts I have regarding your intellectual honesty in this discussion, I have no interest in debating you.

And yet you keep attempting to engage me in discussion. This demonstrates to me that it is not some perceived intellectual dishonesty in me that prevents you from debating me. It is something else which I don't even care to speculate on.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

And yet you keep attempting to engage me in discussion. This demonstrates to me that it is not some perceived intellectual dishonesty in me that prevents you from debating me. It is something else which I don't even care to speculate on.

No, it's your intellectual dishonesty. You don't have to speculate at all; I'm telling you openly.

 

[anonymous person]

I pointed out one rather simple logical argument against gods' existence....

All I got was an evasion.

At that point I concluded the OP wasn't really interested in any philosophical arguments against god...just interested in making some for him.

I did not address this?

 

[anonymous person]

No, it's your intellectual dishonesty. You don't have to speculate at all; I'm telling you openly.

Then why do you keep asking me questions?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Then don't answer the question. It still remains.

As do all the questions you've dodged, and the threads that you've started and abandoned.

I'm also sorry that I don't respond to every point you attempt to make. I would love to. But I don't have time. If I address every single question and point you put to me, someone else will necessarily be left without having the things they address answered. So I try to be as fair as I can. In addition, anything I have already addressed will not be addressed again and again and again over and over and over.

Being an apologist must be exhausting; you have to come up with so many excuses.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Then why do you keep asking me questions?

Why do you keep evading those questions? You even started a thread for the purpose of answering questions put to you, only to evade the questions that were put to you.

 

[anonymous person]

Why do you keep evading those questions? You even started a thread for the purpose of answering questions put to you, only to evade the questions that were put to you.

Yet you are still asking me questions. LOL...!

You don't see your not answering my questions as being evasive. If I do the same I am being evasive.


Why not just stop asking me questions. If I thought of you the way you think of me, I wouldn't be wasting my time.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Yet you are still asking me questions. LOL...!

You don't see your not answering my questions as being evasive. If I do the same I am being evasive.

"Oh, I don't have the time to answer your questions. If I answer your questions, then there just won't be any time to answer anyone else's." You understand my predicament.

Why not just stop asking me questions. If I thought of you the way you think of me, I wouldn't be wasting my time.

Are you suggesting that no one should talk to you here? It's not only my questions that you've evaded, but those of others. We should all stop asking you questions? We should all stop interacting with your posts? We're all just wasting our time by talking to you?

 

[anonymous person]

"Oh, I don't have the time to answer your questions. If I answer your questions, then there just won't be any time to answer anyone else's." You understand my predicament.

Are you suggesting that no one should talk to you here? It's not only my questions that you've evaded, but those of others. We should all stop asking you questions? We should all stop interacting with your posts? We're all just wasting our time by talking to you?

I'm telling you that I wouldn't be talking to you if I thought you were as dishonest as you think I am.

That's all I am saying.

I enjoy talking to people about why I believe what I do and how much God has changed me and how He is making me a better man. I love doing this. And I will always be open to talk to you when I am able.

I'm not an atheist. I'm a Christian. Christ Jesus becoming Saviour and Lord of my life is the best thing that has ever happened to me. I suffer. I experience pain. My wife suffers and experiences pain. Our children do as well. So do my parents. So do my brothers and sisters. But we are committed to trusting in God for the salvation of our souls and humbly confess life is not easy, but Jesus' life was not easy either. It is to Him we look. Not to you, or to the scientists or politicians or the clergy or the theologians and not even to each other.

We walk by faith and not by sight and we have overcome through this faith, the world.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I'm telling you that I wouldn't be talking to you if I thought you were as dishonest as you think I am.

That's all I am saying.

I'm not the only one who shares that view, so are you suggesting we shouldn't be talking to you?

 

[quatona]

I enjoy talking to people about why I believe what I do and how much God has changed me and how He is making me a better man.

Gotta say it doesn´t show - but then again, we don´t know what you were like before....

 

[anonymous person]

I'm not the only one who shares that view, so are you suggesting we shouldn't be talking to you?

Not at all.

I said "I"....

I repeat "I" would not be spending the time that you are spending talking with me with someone I thought was just this terrible liar you seem to think I am.

I don't particularly care what you do with your time.

I would much rather spend time talking with the other people here who don't think I'm dishonest.

Because let's face it, you and I both know ad hominems are fallacies and neither one of us make appeals to a person's character to show their arguments unpersuasive.

The appeal to my intellectual dishonesty is something you appeal to as a reason not to answer my questions. This you have said, not me.

So don't answer them.

What else do you want me to say?

I'm not going to agree with you that I am intellectually dishonest because I know I am not.

So what do you want me to say?