Philosophical arguments against the existence of God

[anonymous person]

Then you will understand that we don´t lose any sleep over your empty claims, either.

I will take your word for what you say.

 

[anonymous person]

And you don't feel the need to alter those beliefs, upon the observation of many, many, many atheists who aren't nihilists at all?

Not at all. The many many atheists who aren't Nihilists aren't living like atheists. They are living like theists. They are living as if the things they do really do ultimately matter in the grand scheme of things. They are living like they are somehow special and intrinsically valuable in the whole scheme of things.

The non-nihilist atheists have not come to terms and taken a long hard look at reality. I recommend to every non-nihilist atheist to read the works of Sarte, Camus, and other existentialist writers and to take their head out of the sand.

Maybe you should feel that need... Not for us, but for yourself. Instead of "just believing", you might actually turn it into "justified in believing".

I am justified in believing in Jesus Christ. It does not follow from this that you will necessarily be convinced that I am.

Or, off course, you might realise that what you believe is false.

Saying my beliefs are false does not false them make.

Don't you want to believe as many true things as possible?
Don't you care about your beliefs being correct and justified?

Sure.

Again we are back to: "how do you know your beliefs are sound, if you can't verify them?"

They have been and are continuously being shown to be true in my experience. Everyday I see my beliefs being vindicated. Wisdom is vindicated by her children.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Not at all. The many many atheists who aren't Nihilists aren't living like atheists.

And by that, you off course merely mean that they aren't living like you define atheists to be. A definition, which doesn't seem to match reality.

Be my guest off course, but if you are going to make up your own definition of words, then discussion is going to be an exercise in futility.

They are living like theists. They are living as if the things they do really do ultimately matter in the grand scheme of things. They are living like they are somehow special and intrinsically valuable in the whole scheme of things.

I matter to those around me. I don't need any theistic faith based beliefs to observe such. Again, reality is contradicting your beliefs. But you don't seem to care.

The non-nihilist atheists have not come to terms and taken a long hard look at reality. I recommend to every non-nihilist atheist to read the works of Sarte, Camus, and other existentialist writers and to take their head out of the sand.

I'm not really interested.

I am justified in believing in Jesus Christ. It does not follow from this that you will necessarily be convinced that I am.

But if you were truelly justified, you could show me.

Saying my beliefs are false does not false them make.

I didn't say they were. I said that if you happen to believe false things, you won't know until you find out. And to find out, you have to examine what you believe and what your reasons are to believe it. And look if there are reasons to doubt it or not believe it. If you wish to know if your beliefs actually match reality, you're going to have to go through that process.

Simply holding on to your beliefs will not accomplish much in that regard.

They have been and are continuously being shown to be true in my experience. Everyday I see my beliefs being vindicated. Wisdom is vindicated by her children.

May I ask, how exactly?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Omnipotence refers to God having the power to do whatever is possible for Him to do. It does not mean that He can do anything.

In that case, I'm omnipotent as well.

Because I too, can do whatever is possible for me to do.

Everyone can do, whatever is possible for them to do.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I don't determine what is moral. God does that for me.

Abu Bakr al'Bagdadi says the same thing when asked why his followers are strapping bombs around the necks of hostages.

 

[bhsmte]

Not at all. The many many atheists who aren't Nihilists aren't living like atheists. They are living like theists. They are living as if the things they do really do ultimately matter in the grand scheme of things. They are living like they are somehow special and intrinsically valuable in the whole scheme of things.

The non-nihilist atheists have not come to terms and taken a long hard look at reality. I recommend to every non-nihilist atheist to read the works of Sarte, Camus, and other existentialist writers and to take their head out of the sand.





I am justified in believing in Jesus Christ. It does not follow from this that you will necessarily be convinced that I am.



Saying my beliefs are false does not false them make.



Sure.



They have been and are continuously being shown to be true in my experience. Everyday I see my beliefs being vindicated. Wisdom is vindicated by her children.

Your own personal perception of what atheists are and or need to be, doesn't seem to coincide with reality.

 

[bhsmte]

I would rely on the testimony of God.

Should someone's interpretation of the testimony of God, be taught in science class as the reason for earthquakes?

 

[KCfromNC]

I see it as a matter of presenting an argument against the existence of God that has as its conclusion, the proposition "God does not exist" which itself, would of necessity, be preceded by true premises, in a logically valid form, leading inescapably to the aforementioned conclusion.

Your actions show you don't believe this is the correct way to come to a conclusion. After all, you just skipped all of this and simply used a lack of reasons to think something is true to come to a conclusion it wasn't. You are holding non-believers up to higher standards than those you demonstrate yourself.

 

[KCfromNC]

Things are getting, more "fundie" like, as we move on folks.

But at least we all learned that earthquakes are caused by people eating the wrong type of fruit. So it wasn't a total waste.

 

[KCfromNC]

Not at all. The many many atheists who aren't Nihilists aren't living like atheists. They are living like theists.

Except for their lack of beliefs in gods, of course. Kinda like all the bald people living like people who have hair, except for the fact they don't have hair.

Despite the name, word salad isn't actually good for you.

 

[KCfromNC]

In that case, I'm omnipotent as well.

Because I too, can do whatever is possible for me to do.

Everyone can do, whatever is possible for them to do.

I stand corrected. Not only did I learn that earthquakes are caused by eating fruit, but now I know that I'm omnipotent as well. This is the thread which keeps on giving. Thank you Santa Claus!

 

[Loudmouth]

Read the epistle of Paul to the Romans. In it you may find answers to your questions. Read it prayerfully. Read it openly. Read it honestly, praying humbly that God shine His light upon it and speak to your heart.

It would seem to be a waste of time since you can't even muster the energy to discuss the material.

 

[Loudmouth]

I would rely on the testimony of God.

Then why do you rely on the testimony of men, instead?

 

[Davian]

Unable to directly answer the question? Or, you don't want to?

I believe children should be taught the truth.

I do not know what you mean by "truth" in this context. I use the word to refer to the quality or state of being true. In the manner you use it, it would appear to mean, your particular theology.

That God loves them and that they are fearfully

Fear, the great motivator. Is that for obedience to God, or to the theocracies that used these concepts?

and wonderfully made in His image

This still puzzles me. Is God a human? Breathing, consuming, excreting, and subject to entropy?

and that we are to love our neighbor as we love ourselves and that we are all accountable for what we do with the life God has given us.

And, in your theology, accountable for things beyond our control.

That the evil we do

- disbelief -

will be judged and the good

- belief -

praised and that we are to seek and pursue righteousness

- belief -

because in doing so, we find true happiness and peace.

...or you will burn for eternity if you don't believe.

Quite the humanitarian, that Jesus.

My teenagers are aware of these "truths", and the differing "truths" of other religions. They do not find them compelling.

Back to your "hypothesis":

There would be no earthquakes if Adam and Eve had not disobeyed God. The ground was cursed because of their disobedience to God. In God's economy, sin has devastating consequences which are far reaching beyond the immediate.

Do you feel that this should be taught in public schools? Would that be part of the science curriculum, or comparative religion?

 

[Davian]

Read the epistle of Paul to the Romans. In it you may find answers to your questions. Read it prayerfully. Read it openly. Read it honestly,

What do you mean by "honestly" in this context?. How does one read it if they honestly believe it to be myth?

praying humbly that God shine His light upon it and speak to your heart.

Do you write letters to Santa? Why not? Do you not want free stuff?

 

[Davian]

I would rely on the testimony of God.

Rely on your interpretation of the Bible to demonstrate the truth of your beliefs.

How circular.

 

[Davian]

Not at all. The many many atheists who aren't Nihilists aren't living like atheists.

Or, not "atheists" as you use the word.

They are living like theists.

Or, they are just living as if gods are only characters in books.

How does one live like a theist? Given that there can only be one correct theology - if there is one - the odds are against you having the right one. Do you live as if you are wrong?

They are living as if the things they do really do ultimately matter in the grand scheme of things.

Sure, they just have a different "grand scheme of things" than you do.

They are living like they are somehow special and intrinsically valuable in the whole scheme of things.

And they are, in their "grand scheme of things".

The non-nihilist atheists have not come to terms and taken a long hard look at reality.

Mind reading fail.

Mind-Reading Hat

• Davian
• Jul 30, 2015

Hare you tried updating the firmware?

I recommend to every non-nihilist atheist to read the works of Sarte, Camus, and other existentialist writers and to take their head out of the sand.

Or the works of Metzinger and Dennett.

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...nd-the-phenomenal-self.7569197/#post-58883448

I am justified in believing in Jesus Christ. It does not follow from this that you will necessarily be convinced that I am.

Saying my beliefs are false does not false them make.

Referring to your beliefs as "truth" does not grant them the quality or state of being true.

Don't you want to believe as many true things as possible?
Don't you care about your beliefs being correct and justified?

Sure.

I have not seen that evidenced in your posts.

They have been and are continuously being shown to be true in my experience. Everyday I see my beliefs being vindicated. Wisdom is vindicated by her children.

It does seem that god beliefs can only be shown to be true to those that already believe. Have you noticed that, from your perspective?

 

[anonymous person]

Abu Bakr al'Bagdadi says the same thing when asked why his followers are strapping bombs around the necks of hostages.

Yea and he is wrong obviously.

 

[Loudmouth]

Yea and he is wrong obviously.

How can he be wrong if he is following the commands of a morally perfect God?

 

[anonymous person]

It would seem to be a waste of time since you can't even muster the energy to discuss the material.

Then don't do it if you judge it to be a waste of time. That is a judgment you will have to make.